Investigating Report against Fear

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by neutral, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. neutral

    neutral VIP

    Name of Staff/Player:
    Fear
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    Staff
    Your Steam ID:
    Not relevant
    Which Server:
    West 1
    Which Map:
    Not relevant
    Which Round:
    ----
    Time of Occurence:
    ----
    Reason For Report:
    Making this report with @Floof 's request, and because I agree that it does seem like there is a negligence of staff duties going on here.

    There are two scenarios-- first, Fear was on during this incident, and despite being told in server of the situation, did not handle it to the point where multiple users had to create a forum report. Note, this report still has not been concluded. This could have, and should have been concluded while staff were currently present on the server: https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/report-against-firenewb-ravioli.51869/


    Secondly, and this is the portion that I more-so agree with. Fear let a player get awhile with, while admiringly minor, ghosting simply due to his previous experiences with the player. While I agree that this instance should have just been a warning, Fear concluded that nothing should be done at all. This is a clear case of bias, and a warning... which doesn't even carry a punishment, should have been given. Not even to mention that this is clearly targeting as well (although, in the case of targeting, I also agree this is only warnable with the single bit of evidence).

    https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....970/261BDFC41646F22158C2F7076270D89A764A0749/
    https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1714384668

    (EDIT: Put these as links cause holy fuck Floof sent me large images)
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565307472290775040/567792501876981791/image0.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565307472290775040/567792462006059058/image0.png

    I am not sure why an admin is telling a moderator to let rule offenses slip just based on who the player is. This is the literal definition of bias and this should not be occurring within the staff team.​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
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  2. Fear☠

    Fear☠ The Dark Lord Administrator MVP

    Let's get right into it then shall we.

    1st scenario:

    As the time this occurred wasn't the usual time I was on, I was completely in the dark who FireNewb or RAVIOLI is.
    I was informed when I joined the server and I kept an eye on them.

    After some time and some extra evidence provided to me. I gave a harsh warning regarding the targetting and harassment, but I didn't feel what I had at the time was enough to issue a ban.
    Keep in mind, I didn't have all the evidence that is in the forum report.


    2nd scenario:

    I was told that the ghosting occured at the end of the round and nothing came out of it at all.
    Thus I let it slide this time around.

    I'm sure that I don't need to explain you about admin discretion and how it works.

    End note:
    I can indeed see where Floof's is coming from and if Teroxa finds I used my discretion improperly, I apologise.

    Edit: Gonna tag @Teroxa to conclude this
     
  3. neutral

    neutral VIP

    Yeh, fair enough. Floof asked me to add this in here.

    I do think you see where I'm coming from here. The discretion part should have been to warn him. Not let him go.

    Discretion shouldn't ever be used to let people get away with rule violations based on who they are. However, discretion can be used to serve lesser punishments (like warnings). I think we're on the same page on where the mistake was here. Thanks, Fear. :)

    Also-- tags don't work if you edit them in. @Teroxa to conclude.
     
  4. Aluf

    Aluf -redacted by the administration- VIP

    • Do not post in reports you are not involved in
    man, helix of the People defending the People! thanks a ton helix love you come back keep doing god's work xoxo
     
  5. Patrunnuts Pigeon

    Patrunnuts Pigeon Aye man, you're shaking it all wrong Banned VIP Bronze

    • Do not post in reports you are not involved in
    #freeanigga
     
  6. MonkeyBoy

    MonkeyBoy VIP

    I honestly disagree. You were on the server long enough to observe FireNewb (and RAVIOLI) engage in toxic behavior. You were given an entire recording of the previous map which contained plenty of evidence. There was more than enough proof that most admins would've issued a ban for, but all you did was just sit there, give them a couple of warnings (which did nothing to stop them from harassing me), and then leave the server. And yet you and @Sticky Bandit have the audacity to claim that you weren't given enough evidence to ban them for toxic behavior, if not (targeted) harassment. The fact that it took over an hour's worth of recordings and a forum report to have FireNewb banned for harassment (five days after it occurred, mind you), when it should have been done when you were on the server at the time, brings into question your sense of judgement.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2019 at 3:34 PM
  7. Scuffed Water

    Scuffed Water Currently in prison Moderator VIP Bronze

    Hello there monkeyboy, I’m currently on vacation and limited to what I can access to be able to look at any of this, so would you mind pointing out when I was present?
     
  8. MonkeyBoy

    MonkeyBoy VIP

    I was referring to how you were handling the forum report, and how you almost didn't issue further punishment against the two after observing the recordings.
     
  9. Scuffed Water

    Scuffed Water Currently in prison Moderator VIP Bronze

    I believe you might have mistaken who you meant to tag, as I never was involved in the handling of the most recent forum report against RAVIOLI and Firenewb. I could be mistaken though, because once again I don’t have a lot of resources to work with.
     
  10. MonkeyBoy

    MonkeyBoy VIP

    Oh... you're right. My apologies, I mistook you for @Sticky Bandit
     
  11. Sticky Bandit

    Sticky Bandit Never fall below your standard Moderator

    I apologize for this, however I consulted with Fear before I delivered the initial verdict. I didn't want to override Fear's decision in game to leave it at a warning.