Completed Report against Fear

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by neutral, Apr 16, 2019.

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  1. neutral

    neutral Banned VIP

    Name of Staff/Player:
    Fear
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    Staff
    Your Steam ID:
    Not relevant
    Which Server:
    West 1
    Which Map:
    Not relevant
    Which Round:
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    Time of Occurence:
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    Reason For Report:
    Making this report with @Floof 's request, and because I agree that it does seem like there is a negligence of staff duties going on here.

    There are two scenarios-- first, Fear was on during this incident, and despite being told in server of the situation, did not handle it to the point where multiple users had to create a forum report. Note, this report still has not been concluded. This could have, and should have been concluded while staff were currently present on the server: https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/report-against-firenewb-ravioli.51869/


    Secondly, and this is the portion that I more-so agree with. Fear let a player get awhile with, while admiringly minor, ghosting simply due to his previous experiences with the player. While I agree that this instance should have just been a warning, Fear concluded that nothing should be done at all. This is a clear case of bias, and a warning... which doesn't even carry a punishment, should have been given. Not even to mention that this is clearly targeting as well (although, in the case of targeting, I also agree this is only warnable with the single bit of evidence).

    https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....970/261BDFC41646F22158C2F7076270D89A764A0749/
    https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1714384668

    (EDIT: Put these as links cause holy fuck Floof sent me large images)
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565307472290775040/567792501876981791/image0.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565307472290775040/567792462006059058/image0.png

    I am not sure why an admin is telling a moderator to let rule offenses slip just based on who the player is. This is the literal definition of bias and this should not be occurring within the staff team.​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
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  2. Fear☠

    Fear☠ The Dark Lord Elite

    Let's get right into it then shall we.

    1st scenario:

    As the time this occurred wasn't the usual time I was on, I was completely in the dark who FireNewb or RAVIOLI is.
    I was informed when I joined the server and I kept an eye on them.

    After some time and some extra evidence provided to me. I gave a harsh warning regarding the targetting and harassment, but I didn't feel what I had at the time was enough to issue a ban.
    Keep in mind, I didn't have all the evidence that is in the forum report.


    2nd scenario:

    I was told that the ghosting occured at the end of the round and nothing came out of it at all.
    Thus I let it slide this time around.

    I'm sure that I don't need to explain you about admin discretion and how it works.

    End note:
    I can indeed see where Floof's is coming from and if Teroxa finds I used my discretion improperly, I apologise.

    Edit: Gonna tag @Teroxa to conclude this
     
  3. neutral

    neutral Banned VIP

    Yeh, fair enough. Floof asked me to add this in here.

    I do think you see where I'm coming from here. The discretion part should have been to warn him. Not let him go.

    Discretion shouldn't ever be used to let people get away with rule violations based on who they are. However, discretion can be used to serve lesser punishments (like warnings). I think we're on the same page on where the mistake was here. Thanks, Fear. :)

    Also-- tags don't work if you edit them in. @Teroxa to conclude.
     
  4. Aluf

    Aluf -redacted by the administration- VIP

    • Do not post in reports you are not involved in
    man, helix of the People defending the People! thanks a ton helix love you come back keep doing god's work xoxo
     
  5. Patrunnuts Pigeon

    Patrunnuts Pigeon Aye man, you're shaking it all wrong VIP Bronze

    • Do not post in reports you are not involved in
    #freeanigga
     
  6. MonkeyBoy

    MonkeyBoy VIP

    I honestly disagree. You were on the server long enough to observe FireNewb (and RAVIOLI) engage in toxic behavior. You were given an entire recording of the previous map which contained plenty of evidence. There was more than enough proof that most admins would've issued a ban for, but all you did was just sit there, give them a couple of warnings (which did nothing to stop them from harassing me), and then leave the server. And yet you and @Sticky Bandit have the audacity to claim that you weren't given enough evidence to ban them for toxic behavior, if not (targeted) harassment. The fact that it took over an hour's worth of recordings and a forum report to have FireNewb banned for harassment (five days after it occurred, mind you), when it should have been done when you were on the server at the time, brings into question your sense of judgement.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2019
  7. scuffed water

    scuffed water controversy is key. Administrator VIP+ Bronze

    Hello there monkeyboy, I’m currently on vacation and limited to what I can access to be able to look at any of this, so would you mind pointing out when I was present?
     
  8. MonkeyBoy

    MonkeyBoy VIP

    I was referring to how you were handling the forum report, and how you almost didn't issue further punishment against the two after observing the recordings.
     
  9. scuffed water

    scuffed water controversy is key. Administrator VIP+ Bronze

    I believe you might have mistaken who you meant to tag, as I never was involved in the handling of the most recent forum report against RAVIOLI and Firenewb. I could be mistaken though, because once again I don’t have a lot of resources to work with.
     
  10. MonkeyBoy

    MonkeyBoy VIP

    Oh... you're right. My apologies, I mistook you for @Sticky Bandit
     
  11. Sticky Bandit

    Sticky Bandit Never fall below your standard Legendary

    I apologize for this, however I consulted with Fear before I delivered the initial verdict. I didn't want to override Fear's decision in game to leave it at a warning.
     
  12. Teroxa

    Teroxa Vier Fäuste für ein Halleluja Lead Admin VIP Silver

    Hey there.

    I've already written up the majority of my verdict. I'm just missing one little piece of the puzzle. I'm currently talking to @fear
    I'll conclude as soon as I have everything I need. That shouldn't take much longer.

    ~ Teroxa
     
  13. Teroxa

    Teroxa Vier Fäuste für ein Halleluja Lead Admin VIP Silver

    Hey there.
    I'll finish this up and try to keep my response relatively brief.

    I'll address the 2nd scenario (ghosting) first:
    I agree that this is not the way to handle a situation and that Fear misused his discretion here.
    Admin discretion is meant to allow our admins to staff in a way where they can handle situations appropriately based on the circumstances.
    The result of discretion should never be simply not handling a situation. While I can see why Fear decided to use his discretion to not ban for the ghosting, there should always be some sort of action taken.
    He should have at least issued an official warning for the ghosting in order to educate the player about the ghosting rules and prevent situations like this in the future.

    As for the 1st Scenario:
    I've watched all the evidence presented here.
    I absolutely agree that based on all the evidence presented, a ban for targeting is the right measure. They did and should receive more than a warning.
    However, it's not as easy to determine if @Fear mishandled this situation. He joined the server roughly 8 minutes after @MonkeyBoy started recording.
    There's enough evidence in the first video alone to at least issue a warning. This is also the video that was provided to @Fear☠ when he was handling the situation.
    I've spoken to Fear and asked him why he did not take further action and why he seems to have missed some of the ongoing targeting.
    He explained that this was due to him handling the server, talking in pms and trying to watch the video at the same time.
    I can understand that handling a busy server, while simultaneously trying to attentively watch a 20 minute video for evidence may lead to someone missing a few things.
    One thing that he could have been done better would have been to handle the forum report after leaving the server. When asked about this, Fear explained that he wasn't able to do this due to him preparing to leave for vacation.
    I understand that he had a lot on his hands at the time and don't blame him for not performing as expected when handling the situation ingame.

    One last thing is this:
    I've seen the conversation @Sticky Bandit is referring to.
    His decision to approach Fear and to not overwrite the previous verdict was correct.

    In conclusion, I'll mark this report completed.
    I don't think it's necessary to take further action against my admin.
    I hope we can all treat this as a learning experience. If you have any further questions, feel free to message me here or via discord.

    ~ Teroxa
     
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