Staff Team Approval Poll

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pacifist, Jul 8, 2019.

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  1. Harvest

    Harvest The Forever Serpent VIP

    So, to me, the reason that leaking is such a big deal is because the staff makes it such a big deal. Like, 99% of what staff actually talk about is incredibly dull and uninteresting. Nobody cares. If you didn't make such a big deal of it, I doubt as many leaks would happen. It also seems a bit odd that (afaik) the mod was banned for a short period of time when others have permabans. If I'm wrong, I'll take that back.
     
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  2. Arm

    Arm screwdriver VIP Silver

    Depends on your definition of dull and uninteresting. Also, the 'worse' the leak the longer the ban which is why some bans are short.
     
  3. Elvis

    Elvis Resurrected. Moderator VIP+

    99% of the time, it is stuff that no one cares about. However its about integrity. If a staff member leaks that 99% of useless junk whats stopping us from thinking they leaked the 1%?
     
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  4. Harvest

    Harvest The Forever Serpent VIP

    Yes, I agree, but my point is that you've demonized leaking so much that two moderators actually felt the need to go to try to hunt the leakers down - I really shouldn't have to explain how absurd that is. Moderators should be doing their jobs and moderating the servers. If the Lead Admins or Highwon want to hunt down leakers, that's their business.
     
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  5. Elvis

    Elvis Resurrected. Moderator VIP+

    I agree with the last part of your post. It isnt our responsibility, however they were just trying to help those whos responsibility it was. With few people that can actually handle these types of situations, a lending hand is appreciated.
     
  6. Gonco

    Gonco white knight VIP

    that last question is insecure af

    sad stuff paci
     
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  7. Pacifist

    Pacifist Very Strange Lead Admin VIP Bronze

    Two parts to this. The first part is that I agree in a way, we shouldn't be so focused on catching leakers that we go to such extremes. It just isn't worth it. However, I think that people who leak should be removed and or step down from their position. I'll explain really quickly.

    The first reason I have is obviously that of trust. If I can't trust you to not speak about things you see in staff channels how can I trust you to do your job well? It shows how two faced a person is if they can't keep that information to themselves and other staff members. Even this, however, isn't really my major reason for disliking those who leak. The real reason has a lot to do with the relationship we have with the community. Most leaks are not done accidentally, they are done purposefully and with malicious intent. Even if the information itself is bland and uninteresting, why should we allow someone to stay on the team if they purposefully leaked information we don't want getting out? Now, I will recognize that sometimes mistakes happen, and some people believe what they are doing is just. So on the issue of leaking i'm rather torn. On one hand I find it silly, on the other I find it totally rational. I'd be much more in favor of dealing with leaking on a case by case basis and banning people who clearly are doing it maliciously, and spare those who were just being stupid with the information they were given.

    Let me personally say that there are some instances of leaking that are just not okay. First of all, leaking adminstats and applications are big no no's. Applications are private for a reason, and they are no one's business but the person who started them and the staff team. If the user wants to leak their own application, I've got no issue there. Adminstats are a tricky thing. We reserve adminstats notes for giving heads up to other staff members on their behavior. If we suspect someone of hacking we usually want to keep that suspicion on the down low. Leaking their notes to them kind of ruins that.

    There is more I could probably say, but honestly, you are correct. Moderators have no business investigating leaks. If they have information, they should bring it to us lead admins, otherwise they should let us deal with it.

    Insecure? I am not sure I follow.
     
  8. Carlton

    Carlton (Something interesting here) Banned VIP

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  9. Sticky Bandit

    Sticky Bandit Never fall below your standard Legendary

    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. Gonco

    Gonco white knight VIP

    why not word the question like "Do you trust the integrity of the staff's decisions and actions" instead of putting some insecure and sour question that makes it so if they answer yes it seems like a meme/ridiculous but if they answer no they're just automatically on your side. Shit's whack and p childish and that's a lot comin from me
     
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  11. Pacifist

    Pacifist Very Strange Lead Admin VIP Bronze

    Oh. That last question wasn't meant to be taken seriously and isn't being used for anything serious or meaningful. It was just a joke.
     
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  12. Zypther

    Zypther #SuitUp VIP Bronze Iron

    It was a bad timing and place for said joke. It sours the whole demeanor of the survey. It makes it seem like you are making the whole thing a joke.
     
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  13. Pacifist

    Pacifist Very Strange Lead Admin VIP Bronze

    Okay. If you read my previous posts in this thread you will realize that I am not taking this as a joke at all. I am taking all genuine criticism and working on implementing changes to solve the problems we have as a staff team. All of the criticism directed at specific people will be presented to those people so that they can learn to be better staff members than they already are. If you can't look past a single joke question, i'm sorry.
     
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  14. Tedelicious

    Tedelicious The knight in white armor! Elite

    I can remember this thread about staff and how they need to have fun (please don't ban me for leaking this). I have this feeling a lot of current staff are afraid that fun, in some way gives trust and bonding to players. In the end if they release something to those players. that they might be taken down for it.

    If fun is the key word in staffing on the servers i believe a strict regime to control for leaking should be out of the question. We play a game, not North KOREA RP. What does outting those who leak do about the leak itself? It Iutlines the leak making the head subject instead of keeping things down

    Even i feel scared to say some things even after being a regular now instead of staff. But we all know and see stuff as staff. Sometimes it is hard to not speak about stuff or to have a convo where sich things come up.
     
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  15. Zypther

    Zypther #SuitUp VIP Bronze Iron

    I'm not saying I cant, I'm saying the bit pickers of the community wont. Purposely. I dont give a fuck what happens here, telling you how it came out cause I think you're trying to do good.

    And like Ted said, theres a need for more joking. But you have to do it in the right area. Joking around when you are asking for serious answers, on the issue of the staff team which has been in a unfavorable light with the community. You shouldn't have done that joke, but on servers, YES. Joke a bit more, be a player that only has to click a button or type a few letters in chat to deal with the easy stuff, but very harsh on the worse stuff, hacking, ghosting kinda, but for real.

    I mean, I gave a response on how the joke diminished the view on this poll, and you go and try and attack me personally?

    Like for real. Pacifist, I thought we knew each other a bit better than that. It sounds like you couldn't take the criticism.
     
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  16. Pacifist

    Pacifist Very Strange Lead Admin VIP Bronze

    Alright. Fair enough. I don't entirely agree with you here, but I understand where you are coming from.

    I want to really quickly take a moment to address some other criticisms that came up in this poll. Most of it on the subject of the reports that are still open. First of all, I actually went back and finished half the open reports. Actually, I did that on the second day I was a lead admin. I know I said that I would handle all of them, but the problem is that I can't just step on Teroxa's toes. We split them down the middle and I handled my part. I know it looks bad that they aren't completed, but many of them actually already are pretty much completed. I've urged Teroxa to finish them up, and I know he eventually will.
     
  17. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    Tbh, when I first saw this poll, I thought "Ooh, neat!", but when I read the last question, I was like "Oh, it's just a joke poll".

    Anyway, I don't think it's gonna stop a lot of people from giving serious answers (even if they think it's a meme poll) and I like that you're so involved with the community.
     
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  18. I told myself I wasn't going to say shit in this community anymore but FUCK @Pacifist I have to

    If you have to tell yourself Teroxa will eventually finish them , it sounds like someone isn't doing their job properly or efficiently. "I know eventually he will" So much lead potential right there :cool:
     
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  19. beer is your best friend

    beer is your best friend This dream is my reality VIP

    stay in school
     
    • Agree Agree x 1