Hi. My name is ForgetfulCat, and I use Skype calls while in TTT. I'm not ashamed, and nor should you be. Here's why! Gaming is about having fun with friends. Skype is a third-party software that enables friends to communicate. Skype+TTT= Fun! Now some nay-sayers might bring up the argument: "But, hold on. What if you ghost?" Well, to that I say, "I don't. So... next point?" "But wait... what if you accidentally ghost? Like, say you were about to die, and you said, "KOS so-and-so," and you died before you could finish. Now the people in Skype would hear the whole thing, and would be able to act accordingly. However, when I am in a Skype call, I always intentionally stop talking as soon as I die. Or at least, I don't mention my killer. I have enough self-control to stop talking at the proper time. To this they may reply, "Well.... there's in-game chat! You don't need Skype at all!" And to this I would respond, "In-game chat. Right. With its low quality, and multiple people screaming and swearing and spamming. Yeah. I'll pass on that. Thanks." The only remaining argument they have is this: "It still gives you an advantage over other players!" To this final and desperate attempt at a counter-argument, I say: "It's only a game. If it gives you an advantage over other players, so be it. You have downloaded and installed Skype, and you have friends to talk to. Being in a Skype call makes the game more enjoyable, which is (correct me if I'm wrong) the intention of games. If a game is no longer enjoyable, why play it? In fact, it is no longer a 'game' at all, but has morphed into a complex set of rules and regulations." In closing, gaming is hanging out with friends in a relaxed environment. Gaming is NOT restricting people's ability to communicate in order to maintain a standard of "fairness." To all the admins and aspiring admins out there, a few words of advice. Do not force ridiculous rules on players. Remember that it is first and foremost a game, and meant to be enjoyed as such. If you do force these rules on everyone, they will do one of two things, either A) they will leave the server and join a different one with less strict rules, or B) they will stop playing the game entirely, which they have paid for and enjoyed up to that point. In essence, to be a good admin, one must take heed to not ruin the experience of other players. Thank you for your time, and I hope you will continue to enjoy TTT with me.
Sir lemon told you about this in game, the suggestion is pointless and will never be changed, in the moment there is no way you can stop yourself from saying kos--- and being already dead.
You should probably read our MOTD before deciding to make this post. That being said, Skype is not against the rules by any means. We just don't want people to ghost is the problem. No one likes to have a round ruined because of someone possibly ghosting. General Rules No ghosting No spamming or harassing other players No gore or porn sprays No claiming rooms No camping/delaying when majority of players are dead No prop surfing to unreachable areas No prop killing as spectator No unreadable nicknames (must contain 3 or more English characters) Ghosting Using third party chat to inform player of in-game events they are not yet aware of. This includes using in-game private chat, admin chat, steam chat, Skype, TeamSpeak, etc. This includes giving away information about yourself. Using public chat, team chat and spectator chat will ensure you aren't ghosting. Any other forms of communication could result in inadvertently ghosting and we will enforce it.
I disagree with you you shouldn't be using Skype while in game it is a third-party client and you are taking the risk of getting banned. The gmod client has many features like voice chat, chat bar and a pm chat. If you can not follow the rules then maybe this is not the server for you. I am not trying to be mean but the rules are what help make this server in joyable.
Please point out where exactly in our rules that it states that. Our rules don't state that. Our rules say this: It goes to clarify what that covers. But it never once says you aren't allowed to be in a Skype call while in-game, nor does it say you aren't allowed to be in a Skype call with another player who is also in-game with you. Please don't twist the rules. Also, another tip - if you want to Skype in game enable push to talk. How do you do this? Click Tools and then Options Once in the options menu, go to "Advanced" Navigate to "Hotkeys", enable them if needed Check "Toggle Mute" and set your key. That simple!
Surely this should be added then? For the exactly reason i've stated above, enless your using push to talk your going to ghost.. i was always told you weren't to be in a skype call full stop.
Actually, they are both correct. I suggest not using any type of third party communication. Even if you have a PTT key, you can still mess up and inadvertently tell someone who killed you.
That's why I said that we just don't want people to ghost. If you're using it for the intention of ghosting, then it obviously is against the rules. I do agree that while using a third party chat, it's very risky that you can get banned, however, if you're not giving any information about your current situation, then you should be fine. I don't see why you can't use Skype in that situation then.
For the exact reason i've listed, how many times have you kos'd someone in voice and noone's heard it, if you in a skype call they will.
You have enough self control, and you intentionally stop talking as soon as you die. Can you guarantee that for everyone else that uses a third party voice chat? Rules are designed around those who do not take extra caution and those who are less careful when playing. People don't make extra rules to restrict those who already follow them. No matter how careful you are, it's still possible to blurt something out that you don't intend to. This is why I highly suggest that you do not use a third party voice chat. If you do, at least enable push to talk for further safety, however even that does not completely stop you from accidentally giving out information. Be careful.
Protip: Things you're "told" aren't official - unless they're in the server rules or they're in the mod guide. If they aren't in the mod guide, venture to get it added. If it is something that should be in the rules and not the mod guide, contact Highwon. But honestly, I don't think it needs to be a rule. Are we just going to ban anyone who mentions that they're in Skype? Not a good move. Unless there's evidence, why bother instigating them?
Why the difference between players and staff? In fact, I would think that Skyping as a staff member would be helpful rather than detrimental. It would allow faster and easier communication between staff members, which in turn would improve efficiency in "cracking down" on rule breakers. Additionally, I would think that staff members would be considered more trustworthy than the average player, and thus would be allowed to have more privileges, not less. I am well aware that Lemon already told me about this. I do not need to be reminded of that. And I was under the impression that the "Suggestions" thread was for just that: suggestions. Whether you personally agree with it or not is of no consequence. I have the freedom of speech. Or do I? Oh, that's right! I don't, according to Lemon (who banned me for 8 hours for bringing up this topic ingame). And the last part of your statement doesn't really make sense. I specifically said, and I quote: "...when I am in a Skype call, I always intentionally stop talking as soon as I die." I can indeed stop myself from saying "KOS so-and-so" when I am already dead. I made this quite clear in my original post. Did you even read my post? I countered this argument quite plainly. The entire point of me using Skype is so that I can communicate with my friends easily. If I have to push a button every time I want to talk, that kinda eliminates the purpose of using Skype. This is a very contradictory post. First, you imply that I don't need the rules, because I "take extra caution." Then you say, "Be careful." Obviously, if I'm taking extra caution, I wouldn't need to be reminded to be careful. The first half of your post seems to commend me for my self-control, but the second half seems to suggest that I don't have enough. It simply doesn't make sense. However, I do agree with your initial point. Others are not as careful as I am. Skype can cause them to accidentally ghost. However, the staff can then deal with those people accordingly. If they rdm, they get kicked. Simple. Those people will then realize that using Skype is dangerous FOR THEM. I will not admit that using Skype is dangerous for me. It simply is not. I don't see why I have to have these rules imposed on me, when (apparently) "people don't make extra rules to restrict those who already follow them." I don't know about anyone else, but I follow the rules, and I still feel pretty restricted (i.e. not being allowed to use Skype with my moderator friend). EXACTLY. ----------------------------------------- Now, I must mention here that I do not wish to provoke anyone to anger over this issue. That does not mean, however, that I will back down (unless I am presented with more compelling evidence). I will continue to advocate gamers' rights everywhere!
Let's just start by addressing each of your responses. 1) Why would the Staff need to Skype while we're in-game if we have either the in-game chat system or Steam chat? Sure you might say that Skype is preferable, but it can also cause ghosting. We stick to not using Skype to prevent any possible ghosting from occurring in-game. That's why staff usually don't have Skype conversations while we're in-game. Skype is allowed as some of us told you, as long as you're not ghosting. 2) When you're trying to "advocate gamers' rights", you need to do it in a manner that isn't taken as spam, which is probably why you were banned by Sir Lemoncakes for in the first place. You could have talked about it in a different manner and not try to state it in-game constantly. Your course of action ruined the experience of others who are trying to enjoy the game as much as you by trying to promote the use of Skype constantly without thinking that it's considered spam. 3) Your argument is pretty dumb no offense. It's not like we're trying to use ultra expensive mics. We're using the in-game chat so we can communicate, which most others don't have issues with. It's only you who seems to have the issue. If you don't agree with using the in-game chat system, then by all means, don't use it. But don't try to force others to use Skype either. After all, some of us don't have a Skype account. 4) If you don't want to press a button for Skype, then by all means, don't use Skype at all. While the rules don't condone the use of Skype, as I've mentioned previously, if you're caught ghosting, you will be punished. 5) Why would you need to use Skype to communicate? It's not like we don't allow you to use Voice chat at all. You keep on pushing for Skype to be used, but you don't really give a proper defense to why it should be used other than higher quality and fun. We are ALL able to still have fun without having to use Skype. If you so have an issue with someone mic spamming, you do have the option to mute them as well. You don't have to listen to them speaking. So after addressing all of your arguments that can be solved with a few simple steps, you really have no support for your argument.
I am very confused at how you ordered your responses, as they don't really match up with my arguments, but no matter. I will reply to each of your points to the best of my ability (without rating your post as 'dumb', because i am actually willing to listen to your arguments without immediately dismissing them). 1) Talking is faster than typing. But the ingame chat is filled with people talking over each other. That rules out the staff using the ingame chat system. And... wait... did you say Steam Chat? You mean, a communication service outside of TTT chat?! Sounds kinda like what I'm advocating. 2) The only reason I said it "constantly" is because Lemon wouldn't respond to me at all. If he would have taken the time to address the issues I had with the server, maybe things would have been different. 3) I wasn't forcing anyone to use Skype. Rather, I was only attempting to gain the ability to Skype with one of my friends who happens to be a moderator. And I wasn't referring to 'low-quality mics.' I was referring to the way that Steam chat lowers the quality in order to increase connection speed. The lower quality is intentionally built into the game. I understand why they did it, but I prefer high quality audio. My time as a soundboard operator has made me pickier in terms of audio. And I'm not the only one who hates ingame chat, not by a long shot. 4) This isn't even an argument. More like a "screw you" mixed with an undeserved threat. 5) What more defense do I need? Fun is the point of gaming. Skype makes TTT more fun for me and my friends. Why should we be prohibited from having fun if we are not harming anybody? As a reminder, I do have a friend who is a moderator, which is why this is an issue for me. If my friend were just another player, I would be allowed to use Skype with him. I get that. However, it all goes back to fun. The point of gaming. The purpose of this server. The name of this collection of servers is "Serious TTT," not because it was intended to be serious and restrictive, but because the founder's Steam name was Mr. Serious. It is an important distinction. To conclude my arguments, I will use your strategy of a conclusion: So after addressing all of your arguments that can be solved with a few simple steps, you really have no support for your argument.
