Invalid Report against LordyHGM

Your In Game Nickname:

Ok We're Doing it Again​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:172738985​

Which Server:

East​

Why you should be unbanned:

My ban was changed from a matter of minutes, then, altered to permanent and then to 99 days. Now I'm expected to be apologetic that I was banned longer? What do I show remorse for? Being banned again because my ban was going to expire?

Is a spray that serious? As mentioned by another member, "sprays are relatively subjective to the staff member." So, if one person declares it's bad while others don't, then they're right? Many players and staff members have seen my original spray previously, and how was a 1 day ban a "warn" when I was never informed previously? A warning ≠ punishment, and if someone simply stated originally, "Hey, I don't like your spray, do you mind not using it?" I would have agreed - I have no fetishised attachment to an image, lmao. What really caused me to test the waters was that deliberately sexualized images are not punished, and that was shown in your MC server - which I was banned from - when a friend of mine has a spray of a woman with full pubic mound and under boob showing, and was not punished in any way.

The weirdest part here is, that the "evidence" presented was taken on a completely different server and tried to be used against me, and which I was already punished for:

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https://gyazo.com/c6c3c093e1c33898127cc3ec21075d13

So, what's the real reason my ban went from minutes, to (no reason) and no time specified (permanent), and then to 99 days?

I'm expected to play good boy here, but I find it kind of hard when I'm getting the short end of the stick and expected to take it without really receiving any reason. It's pretty draconian to not even bother to inform me my ban was going to be altered, especially when it nearly expired.

Now, my "avatar" is a problem? I've had it as my forum avatar for nearly weeks and nobody batted an eye. Now, when a problem arises over an image, you're deliberately trying to find new reasoning to justify a punishment.

What do I say to show I'm sorry? I was already banned for nearly two weeks and now I'm supposed to be sorry my ban was raised to longer than that?

Bizzare power trippin' here.​

Evidence of Innocence:

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Judging by the fact that you have made an appeal about two hours ago for this same exact thing, making yet another appeal for this is pointless. If you have a problem with the verdict or the way your appeal is handled, I would recommend making a report instead.

 

If I reported the player, that infers I have an issue with them. I don't. I have an issue with my ban and would prefer my appeal get answered rather than receive an, "Oh, sorry, you're banned. Nothin' you can do about it." It would be nice for my appeal to actually be considered or answered. Period.

 

Hey Stiffler,

Like scuffed said, the correct course of action would be to file a report against the banning staff member (in this case, @Lordyhgm ) so their supervisor (@Teroxa ) can review the appeal and the ban itself and make sure everything’s legit and dandy. I’ve gone ahead and converted this into a report to expedite that process for you, and hopefully find a happy ending for all.

 

I already got a happy ending by getting fucked here. >:[

 

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Oh yeehaw this is a good one.


I'll skip to your last point because this proves my entire point of why I even continued to spray it. You're stating their spray wasn't as explicit as I mentioned, but that's unbelievably true, and if anyone else saw it, they'd see it is incredibly more explicit than both sprays I used. It's a young girl laying in bed, her pants pulled down nearly exposing her genitals (quote me when I say "FULL PUBIC MOUND") and her sports bra lifted up, revealing the near entirety of her breast, but no areola. You're claiming I am "exaggerating", when you know I'm fully describing it perfectly here. How is that not porn, but the side of an ass of photoshopped Hitler laying on the beach? If I were to get this picture from him, what would be your new reasoning for not banning him? It being his first time and that I pressured him?

Ok, now we're moving to the other points.

Having minors that play? Sure, that's undeniable and I agree with that, but you're trying to shield minors from the side of an ass cheek with absolutely no sexualized imagery appearing; it's the side of a leg for godsake. Also, considering that minors are saying or are constantly hearing players say things I'm forbidden to say, what are you really trying to protect them from? I still have not received any reasoning on why it's considered porn or disturbing, but yet sprays of women nearly nude or in bikinis are not considered lewd or pornographic, even softly pornographic. If you're going to juggle the rules to apply to one player for a sole dislike of them, say so.

Rules are not meant to be subjective, and if they are, then they are subjective to the person obeying them. If you're creating blank spaces to be filled in by makeshift rules, get ready for players to be annoyed for being punished for breaking these "subjective rules". If someone is punished, you should NOT think they did something bad, but rather know they did something bad. In this case, I cannot help but notice a sheer lack of reasoning on why it's considered pornographic when I've seen multiple lewd photos of human-like fox creatures - you gross furries - that are not punished and evening seemingly welcomed. With all the disruption and chaos on the server, the problem here is a vague rule that is decided on by staff members with no regard for the players ability to decide if their imagery is up to par with staff expectations, and I think you see the problem now.

I did not spray my original spray to cause problems, and if I did, nobody mentioned it to me. Not once. If warnings are also subjective, that's a huge issue. You're completely lacking a space between caution and punishment, and my issue is that I was completely jumped to punishment after being nearly entirely quiet on the server the first time I was banned - even engaging in a perfectly nice, normal conversation with another player - shoutout my nigga Gonco - and then instantly turning to a ban. I would have accepted my appeal if I was not expected to make promises to not spray my image, to which I was dumbfounded considering I do not consider my spray in any way a type of pornography considering what I've witnessed of a majority of the players sprays, I figured my spray was completely okay. Guess not.

To really top it off, players who say slurs ARE warned, but players who post an image "subjective" to somebody are not? Is that a joke? You're worried about minors, yet I've seen multiple staff members not gag or mute a player screaming slurs for homosexuals or someone of color into the microphone, and when they do, it's already countless instances too late.

And yes, you did ban me on the server, but not East. You're going to need to explain this part to me because I don't get it. You said, "your ban was probably cached and then updated as you tried to join," then you state, "I added a new one due to your offence and recent history/behaviour." So, what is it?

Yes, I was banned for a porn spray, of both images I do not consider pornography. Lewd and expressive? Sure. But not porn, with the last one being surely questionable. Again, I made it a point to see where admins draw the line on sprays, and I think I figured it out: if they don't like you or you're an issue to them, they'll find holes in their own rules to bash you with.

"It's not protocol to warn for inappropriate sprays, nor were you banned for 1 day, it's usually done with admin discretion because most players are willing to simply change it."

Uh, then, why did I appeal and why was Panda so eager to be willing to alter the ban? In fact, yes, I was banned for one day without warning, and if Panda was a half decent moderator, he'd support this because it's true. Leaving blank areas in your own rules allows moderators to pick and chose who they punish, which makes it entirely unfair. If the ban doesn't get lifted, fine, however, alter your rule. It's stupid. Again, warning does not equal punishment.

 

Imagine exceeding 10,000 characters. Wow, essays and reception work has paid off.

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You were banned by panda, made an appeal, pasted the spray you banned for in the appeal, set it as your Forum profile avatar, had it removed, set it again, and received a forum warning for it which resulted in your forum ban. You then proceeded to use the spray again the same day and denied the appeal despite Panda being more than happy to accept it. You then later hopped on joked about porn sprays and then sprayed one on the wall I was standing in front of. You showed complete disregard for the rules and staff members, if you had any interest in being unbanned an explanation for your actions or maybe even an apology for them would be a sign you were willing to learn from your mistakes and not do it again. Hell, if you'd even tried to argue that the spray wasn't pornographic I'd've considered shortening the ban, but if you can't take your appeal seriously, why should I?

Ok, your chronological sense of events here is warped, so I guess we're diving in.

Yes, Panda banned me and I made an appeal. No, I did not set the spray into my appeal as a deliberate attempt to spread it. The appeal rule stated if that the spray was deemed NSFW, to not enter it into the appeal. However, blahblahblah, I SUBJECTIVELY did not believe it was NSFW and wanted more clarification on why it was deemed NSFW or how it is considered porn. All I got were vague, "Oh, you see his butt." Yah, hardly vulgar compared to half of the sprays I see, and if minors can't tolerate butts but can say the n-word freely, that rule is a mockery.

No, I did not set it as my forum profile after the appeal, it was already set to my profile avatar since the day I joined the forum, April 21st. You're telling me my avatar slipped by your moderation team for nearly a full month with nobody batting an eye or mentioning it to me? Yes, I set it back up because I felt like your moderation is solely targeted against me and completely unwarranted. And if you guys operate on a two strike system, yes, I was also banned, but because my original warning point came from my first forum post on a player report, which I did not know I had no say in.

I'd like to know how I "joked" about porn sprays if you're willing to explain that. Yes, I did say your rules regarding porn sprays is absolutely ludicrous and your reasoning being even more so. Is speaking negatively about your own punishment subjective to the player banning you, too?

If multiple players went, "Wow, he shouldn't have been banned for that," then, it being "subjective" how did it now become subjective to all staff members only after I was punished for it?

Redirecting to my first point, the spray was, in fact, as explicit as I describe it, and I'll be asking him for the picture link if he has it available to any staff member who would like to compare my spray to his. Feel free to ask me through here or Steam.

 

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I see your trap card and raise you this! FLAME ON!

After asked by the person who wrote the rule, they even found my spray lacking in the area of pornography. They did not mention it being ill, but I will say from my own point that it is ill - and I fucking love it.


"What you consider porn depends on you and your values, however, you are expected to abide by ours when you use our services."

Yah, the issue with that is, your values are not clearly stated. How could I abide to your rules if your rules are not implicitly stated? If I asked you to not touch something and you touch something around it and I punish you for it, how is that fair? I didn't say you couldn't touch around it, right? Face it: the rule isn't as deep as you thought, and my ORIGINAL spray wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. I know the rule creator's word isn't golden, but if he wrote the rules and finds my spray lacking in the side of inappropriate, doesn't that speak volumes to the issue here?

Yes, that spray I sprayed in an attempt to test where the admins separate purposefully sexualized imagery to non-sexualized imagery, and how do the two correlate to sexualized in comparison? They simply don't. Is he nude? Yes, that's undeniable, but is it suggestive in any way, shape, or form? No, it isn't. You're wrong for assuming the side of a man's leg, barely showing any area of his lower body, is sexualized or considered blatant "general nudity". If that's the case, remove any spray with women in bikinis, any crudely drawn anime sprays of skimp clad girls and fur creatures.

You're telling me to report these instances, but truth is, I don't care about what other people say or do that isn't in regards to me, it doesn't affect me, so it isn't my issue; it's YOURS. Don't count on me to moderate when I'm not a moderator. Sure, people do it, but I don't because I don't care if it doesn't involve me. Why should I? Make the internet a better place? Get real, dude. Trying to dismiss your moderators not moderating and claiming it isn't a problem when it certainly is, and it does apply here. Why do those blatantly disregarding your rules barely get punished, but when I use an image: my original spray, I'm punished more over them. This isn't an issue to you or anyone else?

Uh, that's exactly what it means. You're giving moderators free will to basically say, "Hm, you're not that bad, so I'll punish you less than I will this person." Moderators are human, their opinions are not objective to their emotions. I have seen instances of this, and I will not name that moderator because I actually think that in some cases it's a cool way to approach things, but not in a scenario like this. If you know who you are, you're fucking awesome and I said it in-game before, so I'm not ratting you out.

So you did something I've been arguing for this entire time? Congratulations, that's how my original ban should have been handled. Thank you for addressing what I've been trying to point out this entire time. Your rule sucks if you allow discretion of emotions to negate reasoning and rule set. Does it include you individually? No, it doesn't, however, as a moderator, I believe it does. How can I be punished, but someone else that chooses to use my same spray gets warned? You're going to bring up the point of my original ban, but why was I not warned for that either?

It's an overexertion of power for trivial rules that were unintended to be broken, and that's the biggest issue. Bans should not be placed in effect over trivial matters when verbal warnings do suffice in place, especially when they were unintended and unaddressed prior.

And yes, I was banned consecutively, two times for the same spray, but it seems like people have different opinions on my spray and it's sexualized nature. So, what's the general consensus?

 

I missed this part.

"I had nothing to do with your other bans, so a report against me isn't where they ought to be brought up in regards to how just they were."

My other spray does regard to this. How doesn't it? Seriously, that's what started this all. Stop dismissing things because you simply don't want to approach it. I, in hopes you will also, do absolutely, undeniably agree that the spray YOU banned me for was worthy of it, but the original one was not. Also, this did not start as a report against you, it was an appeal. You're free to defend your reasoning, but don't think I solely came out to attack you. This applies to anybody involved, and I think it's kind of unspoken and implied.

"You even admit yourself "with the last one being surely questionable."

Yah? Why wouldn't I when I myself can clearly see it is? That wasn't even implied that I didn't think it wasn't. The point of it was to display the boundary between purposefully sexualized imagery and non-purposefully sexualized imagery. Players with purposefully sexualized imagery tend to receive lax punishment, but my first displayed image receives none. I changed my spray to see if it was considered sexualized, and thankfully, it was. But, why is it just mine in instances like this? I'm fully aware of moderators who have encountered sprays that feature softly pornographic imagery, and they actually seem to ENJOY it. Like, really? Because you find it arousing or 'funny' makes it ok? Again, not naming anybody because I simply don't care, but you know who you are.

 

If my ban is global, that includes all of my sprays, not just one that was posted, right? You're absolutely sticking to one instance that was undeniably ban worthy, but the original was not, as stated by your rule creator. If you're going to quote your rules, make sure it even applies. Again, if you've read my post, this post isn't directed towards just you as it does include MULTIPLE bans to which I am appealing for. If you didn't ban me all those times, wouldn't some context clues be applied here that more than one person should be making a presence here? Think about it for a moment. Also, if you've read Wink's comment, he changed it to a player report. Stop trying to shove this aside by saying "this doesn't apply because" when everything I've said applies, and it was implied when I wrote about my globalized ban. If something is globalized, you should take in account for every instance, not just the one you want to focus on because you're clinging to a single instance to validate lesser instances.

You're building a strawman. It's a photoshopped image not displaying any full nudity, not even a sliver of provocative imagery. I'll bring this up in a later point, yah know, because I think since we're quoting rules here.

Also, how can you logically suggest I knew I would be banned for it? Are you inferring that to make your argument stronger by warping my own thought and personality? No, I did not know I would be banned for it as multiple staff members of yours have seen it and have not discussed it with me a single time. And as I mentioned in my earlier posts, it was my forum photo for nearly a month, or more, and nobody batted an eye.

You are absolutely reaching to strengthen your argument, and it's showing that someone who favors objectivity is being subjected to their emotions, not reasoning. Stop it.

Again, this couldn't be any more of a strawman if you even tried. I did not say I didn't care about my actions. I'd like you to quote me where I said I didn't care about what I've done when I'm here appealing for it. I said I didn't care about the actions of other players if it doesn't regard or effect me, meaning that I don't care if someone uses slurs or YOUR moderation team doesn't do their job. You're arguing that me not reporting negates the validity of its inclusion, which again, is you simply shooting down things you don't want to address or consider addressing.

Or not acting by not choosing to punish, or simply turning a blind eye to it.

Chill out here, Thanos. Your stones only do so much. I find it odd you're willing to judge by remorse on an appeal, when an appeal is a show of remorse, most of the time, isn't it? Who are you to judge by remorse just as much as I am to judge your competence. If I had the wrong ban in mind, once again, for a global ban with bans spread through multiple members, they're yet not involved?

Never said my actions don't affect others. Stop reaching.

Who said it's a complaint against your moderators? It's a formal observation against your moderators. Again, you're trying to infer my emotions, and I'm going to have to ask you to stop being so angry and vindictive here. Annoying, right? Also, I never cared to report these instances because I was not banned at the time, and as I mentioned, don't care about what happens again unless directly related to my actions. Yes, let me now get in the game and report these dastardly rule breakers! Oh, wait..

I'm not going to say anything about this because, lol. Seems like some functions of your server isn't working. The player sees me banned for my image, then, grabs the same image and uses it. Yes, after seeing me banned I'm sure they knew it was okay to use it.
There's more to this, but I won't touch on it. I know most of your players who read this know what I mean. Good guy.

Also, where was my warning if he got it? I had no negative behavior prior to these bans, so why was my original image not handled as simply as, "Hey, mind changing it?" You have rules to punish for, but not rules on how your moderators should handle their punishments in cases like this? Oh, maybe you keep my recorded behavior locked behind subforums, and are arguing about this now. Not sure.

As someone who was one of the lead admins for a server, you'd know this applies only so far. You cannot train human emotion out of a human, nor can you train objectivity or maturity. I believe you saying, "we train our staff members" is a way to validate their actions by inferring they're emotionally and mentally kept to your standards, which is impossible to train.

I had to quote this entire piece because my god was this a headscratcher.

You're telling me after their training they still keep their humanity? Wow, so they aren't the RoboCops elite forces? Again, you want to discuss double standards, this is one here. Humanity is not objective. Sorry to say it. A second opinion is just as subjective to the persons emotions just as the first. How does receiving a second opinion justify that reasoning? If we're being fully objective, we'd end up in an infinite loop of subjectivity. And odds are, staff tend to side with staff, that's how it always is. Sorry, but claim it as much as you want, objectivity does not exist.

I find this the most interesting. Mildly suggestive sprays, such as beautiful women on a beach, are fine and dandy and don't break the rules? Odd, as an avid rule quoter I think you'd agree:

6. PORN/GORE/DISTURBING CONTENT
1. Arousing images/videos depicting sexual activity, general nudity, sex toys/objects, or sexual substances.

Aren't beautiful women arousing to you? It seems like that breaks one area of your rules. I'm aware of my sexuality, and I DO find it arousing. Do you not?

While not nude, it's pretty blatant that the spray is used to draw attention, is that not sexual substance or considered general nudity?

With such an emphasis on minors, I don't think minors should experience lust, do you agree? Lusting over beautiful women, becoming aroused? Is this not hypocrisy or bad rule understanding? But, naked photoshopped Hitler with a sliver of leg showing truly makes my girlhood tingle. Remind me to not watch the Olympics or women's sports.

Again, just trying to escape it here. Global, bans by multiple people, started as an appeal, altered by an admin of yours. "Nonplussed and deeply-invested with blahblahblah," wow, as an admin I'd expect you to not be so harsh. That's not very admin like, is it? Relax, it's not all about you. I didn't mean to offend you by pointing out flaws in your administration team or rules.

With everything said, nobody has still addressed why the rule creator has deemed my original spray lacking in the area of inappropriate or sexual. "He's not staff anymore tho!" Yes, but he still wrote the rules you all follow. I don't mean to paint a target on his head, but it's funny to mention. What a reasonable guy. I wish more people were like him.

 

Avoiding because all I read was "not relevant, not relevant, not relevant, so it stays." You're an admin, if an admin can alter my report to be against you and one ban, then you, as an admin, can alter my ban to be against multiple users who did ban me.

Nope, didn't say the rules were up to the players to decide to follow. I'm saying for rules to be dictated by person to person, it allows room for players to question the validity of their own situations in accordance to each individuals beliefs of what is truly the rule vs. what is not the rule.

You're going to need to find a better analogy because as far as I am aware, in the states, targeted discretion against students out of utter spite, lack of respect, or malice, is against most policies regarding school boards. If anybody wrote something dumb, it's you, my guy. LOL

• Right to fair grading in accordance with the course syllabus

Students may be graded fairly and in accordance with criteria set forth by the course syllabuses and may be protected from the addition of new grading criteria.[54][56] Institutions have the responsibility of preserving quality in grade representations and comparability between classes and prevent grade inflation.[24][56] Teachers have the right, under the first amendment, to communicate their opinions regarding student grades,[59][66] but institutions are required to meet students implied contract rights to fair grading practices. Departments may change grades issued by teachers which are not in line with grading policies or are unfair or unreasonable.[66][67]

• Right to protection from written or verbal abuse

Teachers have the right to regulated expression[59][64] but may not use their first amendment privileges punitively or discriminatorily[24][78] or in a way which prevents students from learning by ridiculing, proselytizing, harassment or use of unfair grading practices.[24][79]

• Right to a course syllabus

Students may be graded fairly and in accordance with criteria set forth by the course syllabuses and may be protected from the addition of new grading criteria.[54][56] Institutions have the responsibility of preserving quality in grade representations and comparability between classes and prevent grade inflation.[24][56] This assumes that students have the right to a syllabus to ensure fair grading.

Try again, Mr. Strawman.

 

since this is clearly going to cause an off topic debate which you can continue in private together I will lock this until its needed to be unlocked

 

Hello there!

Lordyhgm was totally in the right to ban you for your sprays. The spray in question showcased nudity, which is in direct violation of our rules. You have multiple bans on your record and you didn't show any remorse for your actions, and so lordy denied your appeal. I have no reason to overturn the ban or localize it. If you have any questions relating to your ban or this report specifically, feel free to start a conversation with me by Clicking here. Thank you.

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