Accepted Let Innos shoot people the Det is damaging

Discussion in 'Rules and Protocol' started by Juice Juice™, Jun 2, 2017.

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  1. Squidd

    Squidd VIP

    Why don't you add a poll so you can see the peoples choice?
    Considering how stubborn you are, this isn't a debate so much as it is you saying the same lines over and over again whenever someone disagrees with the same reasoning.

    Leave it to numbers. Nobody is changing eachothers minds here.
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  2. Noctorious

    Noctorious Your Best Nightmare VIP Emerald

    It used to be okay to assist a detective, but that was changed I believe with the removal of implied kos. For those that remember when that happened, it made a much stricter definition of kos. Under this rule set I believe that adding back an allowance to assist the detective would be confusing with how strictly we now define a kid. As much as I liked the old rule set, being able to assist the detective and kill off of 'player has a harpoon' the player base seems to prefer the current rules. Both have worked, one in the past and one currently but unless there's a campaign to bring back implied kos I don't see this coming back
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  3. Solar

    Solar El Dorado VIP

    Any further counter-argument to these ones? These are very strong points.
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  4. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    It's only the same lines because nobody is actually debating me... I would love to finally have an honest debate, but nobody will. You just keep saying "I disagree" and with the exception of Dolphin, nobody has actually given a reason why. And no, I am not counting Paci, because he just used the current rules as a reason why not.
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  5. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Ok. I have said it many times now, but there isn't a real difference between a detective calling a KOS on someone and a detective shooting someone. The detective in either situation is trying to kill the target. They are the only proven person(s) in the entire game. Therefor, the person they are shooting logically must have performed a traitorous deed. Sure, it could be RDM, but so could KOS's, and we are allowed to follow those just fine.

    As for the Baiting-gone-wrong aspect, they are still accountable for their own actions. They have still committed RDM even if they didn't mean to. This would be the same if they bumped their bindings and accidentally called a KOS on that person. EDIT: Not to mention, the number of times this would happen is even less than the number of times a detective has called an accidental KOS, and people are able to tell when a detective accidentally shoots someone a lot easier over a detective accidentally calling a false KOS, because by necessity, they must be watching the entire scene play out
  6. Noctorious

    Noctorious Your Best Nightmare VIP Emerald

    Agreed, I do not play the game under the assumption that everyone is breaking the rules. If the detective rdms they'll already be held accountable for rdming whether the person dies or is just damaged since we do not punish damage and death differently
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  7. Noctorious

    Noctorious Your Best Nightmare VIP Emerald

    For the first point, the suggestion is to add an exception to that rule in a particular case, so using the rule as a counter - argument doesn't work since the suggestion is about an exception. Like asking to lower the drinking age in America to 18 and someone arguing with "the drinking age is 21"
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  8. Chris

    Chris Custom Title VIP Bronze

    Ok, so I think this thread is starting to go off topic or turn into an argument, so I will go back to your original suggestion and give my thoughts on it, which are purely my thoughts and my opinions.

    So, as mentioned before, Getting shot is not a traitorous act. And in relation to this, how do you know that detective wasn't just shot with a malfunction pistol, causing them to shoot someone? There's no way of knowing at the time if the detective meant to shoot the person or not.

    Now, acting upon the act of someone getting shot by a detective (Going on the fact you still can't know if they were shot on purpose or not) - If the person being shot at:

    Has not retaliated - Then they have not committed a traitorous act.
    Does not have a KoS on them - Then you have no reason to join in shooting at them.
    Has not and is not commiting a traitorous act - Then why would you have a reason to shoot them too?

    Has shot back - If they have shot back at the detective, while probably just defending them self, they have not committed a traitorous act and can be KoS'd or killed.
    Have a KoS - Then you can kill them based off of this, and if it's false, the person calling it would be responsible.
    You witnessed them commit a traitorous act - Then you can kill them for this act.

    So to round up, based upon your initial suggestion, I don't feel it is required.

    At the end of the day, this is a game. If it takes a detective being killed to ensure you aren't
    RDMing, then so be it. It's always better to wait a couple of seconds than it is to misread this situation (Which is very easy to misread if you don't know the detectives motives) - If the detective doesn't want to call a KoS on the person, requesting help of others, then let them handle it on their own and see how it pans out. If the person being shot does not commit a traitorous act, leave the detective to it, as someone that is not being shot back at clearly doesn't need any help. If the person being shot them commits a traitorous act, help the detective out.

    Hope this helps and is easy to understand.
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2017
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  9. Squidd

    Squidd VIP

    Can we get a color guide to this post? What does each color represent? The rainbow confuses me.
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