Change Protocol regarding F-spec and how to deal with AFKs. Specifically, H3ll4flush

Discussion in 'Rules and Protocol' started by Juice Juice™, Apr 3, 2021.



  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Yes, but leave Flush out of this

  1. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Like, literally- An AFK person contributes nothing to a round. Nobody likes them, especially when it spans over multiple rounds. And I have no idea what the deal with H3ll4flush is, but (And I don't blame him for this at all, he's just the incarnation of this topic) it's literally a well-known meme at this point. He's notorious for never getting F-spec'd, always AFK, and I have seen, unexaggerated, hundreds of people clear out of a server over the time I've been playing while waiting on him being the last AFK T or an AFK inno in weird spot. Sometimes they hop. Most of the time, they're a newbie who finds a better server. And there is almost always a mod, or several on, while he is AFK and it takes dozens of rounds or even maps to finally put him to AFK. I'm pretty sure I've played more rounds with him AFK than bullets of his that have hit me.

    Why? What does He have on the mod team that lets this happen? Why is it so difficult to F-spec people? Sure, this might result in some people coming back after a much shorter break and finding themselves F-specced, but the tradeoff of this is collective hours saved by everyone else on the server who would otherwise just be waiting.
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  2. waffle

    waffle VIP

    Flush is just built better. Sorry, but you have to face the facts.
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  3. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    You can't force me to accept reality
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  4. Cry about it
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  5. waffle

    waffle VIP

    I don't believe you
  6. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Try me
  7. waffle

    waffle VIP

  8. Fiz

    Fiz local jihad pro VIP Bronze

    alright lets not derail a suggestion thread
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  9. Okay
  10. waffle

    waffle VIP

    Joel fucking mama bitch
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  11. Xproplayer

    Xproplayer VIP Silver

    It's a staff conspiracy to boost server population prove me wrong
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  12. Adrian Shephard

    Adrian Shephard VIP Silver

    just rdm him, he wont report lol
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  13. iizzy

    iizzy Pastel Pink Punk VIP

    Hello, it is me, Mrs. Staff Member. We do not know of any conspiracy. In other news, we will be deleting all mention of this topic and of our secret top agent H3ll4flush helping us fight against the [REDACTED BY GOVERNMENT]. Any subsequent mention may result in termination.

    (in all seriousness yeah, and also H3ll4flush is always in game AFK because he unspecs himself constantly, for the record.)
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  14. Yellow

    Yellow VIP

    If you see someone standing still on a spawn point 2 minutes into the game. Put a piece of lead between their eyes they won't report you. (Unless they're staff because they're most likely handling reports and will report you)
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  15. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    Okay but what are you actually suggesting? If he is the last AFK T he should be fspec regardless. Do you want us to just put afks in fspec every time we notice an afk player?
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  16. Orion

    Orion He is Exalted Administrator VIP

    The thing about H3ll4flush is that he does get forced to spectator, but he seems to have a script or something to get out of spectator every couple of rounds. It's not that we ignore him and let him delay the round while AFK, we just don't notice he came back because we already forced him to go to spectator.

    Naturally, if we already did something about it, we're not gonna keep checking. In his case he always ends up delaying the round, which causes confusion as to why he came back but is still AFK.

    I also don't understand what the suggestion here is as well, like Pacifist said. The last person in either team are already forced to spectator, even in fun rounds.
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  17. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    I mean, that would kind of work. I don't know the reason for the problem exactly, I just know it's objectively a rather severe issue. He should be F-speced well before he is the last T- I barely ever see him even play the game.

    Whatever it takes to stop the problem of H3ll4flush, and players like him, really. It's devastating to the servers whenever it happens, and the last time I brought it up the staff were very adamant about not saying 'No, you can't do this' to the guilty players, so something has to change with the staff instead.

    This isn't some freak, random wild coincidence that keeps happening- Something along the chain is broken, and needs to be fixed for the betterment of the server and everyone in it. 'Hundreds' is a low estimate of the number of people that have left because of excessive AFKs- And Flush specifically is the biggest and worst AFK.

    It's worse than with disconnects in terms of things that will do exponential damage to the server- Nobody wants to sit there and wait for minutes on end while the timer runs down, or while the last T frantically searches out the ONE spot on a massive map because they didn't think to by radar to find the last stationary inno who isn't even playing the game. Nobody wants to come back to a server where they know they are going to experience that frequently.

    We have enough servers that if one goes down, people enjoying the atmosphere enough will just switch to one of the other ones. A few might get annoyed and find a different place, but their still liable to come back because a server going down is largely out of anyones control, and most peopl;e understand that. But if they think the staff will let an AFK player waste their time for literally no reason, they're going find a different place to hang out and never come back.

    Frankly, I don't understand why the staff refuses to actually address this issue in any meaningful capacity. You have maybe a handful of players that support or don't mind the AFKs, but across the board this is a recognized and considerable issue to the entirety of the playerbase. I don't have enough data to tell you specifically what the problem is that needs addressing, but that doesn't make it any less of a problem.

    And again: I'm not blaming H3ll4flush, he's just doing what the server allows. But either the server shouldn't allow it, or compensate for it in a significantly more intensive way.
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  18. Frost

    Frost Frosted Pun King VIP

    lmao back when I was a mod, I used to fspec him all the time, but he'd jump out of spec then AFK again. I'd just keep re-spectating him. There's no specific rule here, but on other communities that warranted a kick and or ban if it kept happening. While it sounds dictatorlike, it kinda isn't.

    Mods are supposed to f-spec AFK people, but maybe going further as being able to kick people who keep coming back from spectators and going right back to being AFK might be the way to go. I'd hate to ban someone over that, but that could be considered if they keep doing it. That's my take on it, and I just kept re-speccing him. IIRC you're supposed to give AFK warns before spectating him, but at a certain point I stopped and just kept f-specing him everytime i saw him AFK lol.
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  19. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    For the record, using a script to take yourself out of spectator mode while still AFK is against the rules, and you will be punished for it.
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  20. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Well, sure, but that doesn't change that this has been a known problem for actual years now lmao.
    I get it. Staff don't like being told they need to change. But this has been objectively a problem, and being in denial about it ain't gonna help anyone.

    At the end of the day, the reason 'why' it happens doesn't matter, unless solving 'why' also solves the issue it creates. Like, it's objectively a small issue with likely an easy solution, it's just that the consequences of the issue are rather large and very much irritating. I don't think staff have really given much consideration as to exactly how much damage AFK people do to the server.

    I know my reputation is shit, and I enjoy writing long rambling posts too much, but this is actually damaging the server, and I think anyone would be hard pressed to come up with an explanation on how I'm wrong in any capacity. Please do something about this. SGM is struggling enough as it is, so eliminating any problem helps exponentially, but when the problem is as simple as AFK people, and the consequences are so severe, it really should be addressed.
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