Answered unID'd bodies through portals on Portals map

Discussion in 'Questions & Answers' started by Cat Fried Rice, Jul 28, 2019.

  1. Is it considered a valid reason to KoS someone when you say they passed an unID'd that you saw through the portal, but the only thing that you could've possibly seen was the names, and no depth perception, because you can't see anything through the portals?

    I don't know how to describe it without it sounding confusing as all hell.

    Basically, you're staring at a distance through one of the portals (That you can't see anything through aside from names when your crosshair passes over it), and you see an unID'd through the portals, so you keep your aim locked on it. The moment someone else's name passes in front of it, you call a KoS (or just outright shoot them) for them passing an unID'd body, while lacking any actually visual proof of them passing over it, since you can't see anything other than the names that pop up on your crosshair.

    Would this fall under the "toxic game play" thing of hiding unID'd bodies by doorways to get away with RDM? Or is this a whole other monster?
     
  2. dazza

    dazza Banned VIP Bronze

    this would be rdm unless you can prove 100% they ignored the unid, they might have been about to id it, you cant see so you don't know, hence RDM, and if done too much and you claim unid rule, it will be seen as toxic gameplay
     
  3. Rauno

    Rauno   VIP

    Think it would depend on the portal you're looking at.

    With the waterwheel one, where you have to turn right, you could with 100% confidence say that they had to have seen the unid body and you could call a kos under common sense. Probably same situation with the mario world portal and maybe possibly the other one.

    With the dust2 portal it might be more tricky since I don't think you can always be certain that they were able to see the body or that they ignored it at all.

    Don't see why this would ever fall under toxic gameplay though, it would either be common sense, not rdm or rdm. Unless you're really hardcore abusing it all the time.
     
  4. On a server where it counts as "killing on suspicion" for hearing shooting, dying, and seeing someone ID the body in a room that you're not in. Since you didn't SEE it, you can't prove they did it.

    If you can't SEE through the portal aside from the stuff that pops up when you aim over it, then you can't prove 100% that they in fact passed the unID'd. I see what you mean with the water wheel portal, due to the nature of the other side of it. BUT, given the way the rules work for everything else that is considered "killing on suspicion", this should still fall under that. There is a complete lack of depth perception when aiming through those portals.

    Aiming straight through the portals from the Dust part of the map, you can also "see" through the water wheel portal. So if you're locked onto the unID'd that's in the water wheel area, and see someone pass your aim, there's no way of telling whether or not they actually passed the unID'd body.
     
  5. Lordyhgm

    Lordyhgm Spiteful smells Lead Admin VIP

    As Rauno said, unless you have the 100% proof they ignored an unIDed, as you could have with the waterwheel portal and to a lesser degree the mario one, it would be RDM to call a KOS. This is more of a common sense scenario than a usual KOS/GBA since you wouldn't see them commit the T act but you could guarantee they committed it.

    The latter part of this would definitely not fall under a Common Sense kill since, as you say, you'd have no idea if the player and unIDed were near each other. However as for your other points, there are scenarios where you absolutely can kill without witnessing a T act based on other information that means you can say with 100% certainty one was committed. Assuming you had seen the player enter or exit the portal or seen then walk by the unIDed through the portal and it was in such a way they could not have done so without ignoring the unIDed, then it would be a valid KOS.
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2019