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There's no reason why we can't keep this ship alive.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by incognito moe, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Tedelicious

    Tedelicious The knight in white armor MVP Silver

    The person who would want that torch would already have asked highwon by now so he can make the server ready for a take-over.
    Please don't crack highwon down for shutting it down after he already did so much for this community. All the hours he already put into it and still so many to come before the server will be shut down.
    I can see how people and reactions like this only make the shutdown faster and less fun for the amount of fun we still have left here.
     
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  2. Highwon

    Highwon Owner VIP Silver

    The shutdown has mostly to do with the fact that I can't provide the community with more content updates. While the permanent ranks do help, majority of the community income that pays to keep this place running come from the monthly ranks. The players who purchase these monthly ranks have certain expectations, that is to receive content updates periodically. What would this community be without a Halloween, Christmas or Anniversary event? It would be stale. Is it fair to the player base? I don't think so.

    As far as the crashes are concerned, I'm not sure what happened. All I know is that in December a big update was pushed out by Opal and ever since then the servers have crashed a lot. The only way I could fix it is to revert all those changes which basically means I remove a bunch of content. So now not only do I not provide content updates, I would also be removing content. This really puts me in a bad spot. These decisions aren't easy to make unfortunately.

    So there are really two options here.
    1. I start the process of shutting down the community and give plenty of time (1 year) for the player base to adjust at new place knowing this community isn't here for the long run.
    2. I keep the community running with no updates (on top of potentially removing a bunch of content) and watch it slowly die anyway with the players just kind of slowly falling out and not really knowing where to go.

    I feel like option 1 is the better choice in this scenario.
     
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  3. MoonSlice

    MoonSlice Gold VIP

    Damn giving opal that smoke lmfao. Man I really liked STTT. What a big shame :/
     
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  4. Snowy Cowcakes❄

    Snowy Cowcakes❄ Platinum VIP

    Yo let's be honest here, I didn't donate for updates. Donated cause I enjoyed the server as is, updates were just a regular thing and probably would continue donations regardless of rollback or slower update releases
     
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  5. Floof

    Floof MVP Silver

    Honestly if the server survived another year I was planning on buying a year of legendary if my mvp ends. Updates don’t mean shit with how great the community already was. I wish we could still buy platinum mvp and legendary until closing :(
     
  6. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    Oh god you guys talk so fucking weiiiiird do admins get replaced by fucking robots the moment they become staff or what

    Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to say

    I am sorry to inform you that I find that your choice of lexis and passive voice are indicators of formal language, which is inappropriate when taking your message's audience (me) and genre (forum post) into consideration.
     
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  7. .shirt

    .shirt Banned VIP

    A rarity, but suprisingly he is
    No worries dudelio I agree with your choice and cant hold it on you for making that choice. My question is why are people still confused as to why it's shutting down it has literally been said more than a dozen times now lol
     
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  8. Siddo❄

    Siddo❄ Dork Gold VIP

    Nah, I just write like that normally.
     
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  9. Saturnity

    Saturnity SGMs Personal Planet VIP

    I think I remember reading that they have a certain policy where if you were toxic in any way or they simply dislike you from SGM, then you no enter.
     
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  10. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    Interesting. This kinda goes against the whole "all the toxic banned people are back" thing that people have been saying.

    Am I the weird one here but does this seem really out of touch? I mean, I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I highly doubt that the people who donated to this server did it because they expect future updates. The community would be stale without events? Where does that even come from? TTT is a cool gamemode because it presents you with new situations every round, you can find new ways to deceive or deduce, and you can socialize on the servers. I think that the events were kinda cool and all, but they were just gimmicks. They were the cherry on top. And trust me, people still buy cakes without cherries on top. Those cakes are not stale at all.

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    Have you asked the players? You don't necessarily have to make that decision yourself. Same thing applies to the previous quote: Are you just guessing what people want (like me right now) or is there an actual basis to all of this?
     
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  11. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    Most of the main people at the other place are good friends with the 1.11 group, dont ask me why cause I dont know.

    As for the servers, it will take a lot of unfucking for the servers to run properly and a bit of time, it's really up to highwon if he has the time to do it unless someone here is willing and understand coding to do it and can offer that to him.
     
  12. Snowy Cowcakes❄

    Snowy Cowcakes❄ Platinum VIP

    I mean he did say all that would most likely need to be done is a rollback to before Opal broke everything
     
  13. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    How easy is doing a rollback though? do we have any saved states from back then? just the content? does it involve any changes to the moderator tools?
     
  14. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    The way he's talking about it, the issue of rolling back isn't even a technical one, but "people would not like it if content was removed".
     
  15. I doubt that's just Opalium's fault @Highwon, and to be honest doing a gradual rollback of content would be better to pinpoint the issues being caused. It seems like you're trying to pass off the blame.
     
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  16. We didn't donate for free content, we donated because we like the server. And the fact I want a permanent loadout and grenades.
     
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  17. Highwon

    Highwon Owner VIP Silver

    I've always gone by the basic principle that if people are paying for something on a monthly subscription they are going to want to see new updates. Why don't you put up a vote and see what the community thinks.

    I mean I stopped making coding changes for SGM in September of 2017. So nothing has changed besides changes that Opalium made or Garry's Mod updates. Not trying to pass blame since I don't know what caused it but prior to December everything was working fine.
     
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  18. Han

    Han       VIP

    Opal joins SGM and rises through the ranks extremely quickly. Extremely outgoing and sociable person who interacts with a large amount of people. He gets lead. Drama happens, but he is publicly sympathetic to them, while also not supporting their actions. ( Officially neutral, but friendly to both sides. ). He becomes a dev, responsible for essentially all the content we've seen added. He finally gets owner, and that's when the crashes, a result of his own content update, start to happen. Instead of just reverting the update, Opalium changes small things but never truly attempts a somewhat obvious solution: undoing the December update. There's no doubt Opal is smart, so why did this never happen? Flash forward nearly a year, Opal resigns. He's been planning his own community for awhile. Now with SGM shutting down, the refugees will have a server to flock to. His own server will get a jumpstart, plus he'll have removed the competition entirely by sabotaging them from the inside. Wake up sheeple. The truth has been in front of you this whole time.

    Want to read more? Go to WWW.SGM-Monthly.truth ( if you can't access this site it means Opal is using his mossad connections to DDOS it ) and subscribe to my youtube channel for enlightenment.
     
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  19. Snowy Cowcakes❄

    Snowy Cowcakes❄ Platinum VIP

    I mean with at least like 100+ monthly ranks purchased by myself, I at the very least don't expect new updates ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ then again I've been subbed to EA access for nearly 2 years without using it at all so who knows
     
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  20. .shirt

    .shirt Banned VIP

    fake news, the server started losing steam after you decided to stop making sgm monthly’s
     
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