There's no reason why we can't keep this ship alive.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by incognito moe, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. I'm not entirely sure on the full reasons people are leaving, or why SGM is shutting down. As far as I'm aware it's because staff members are leaving because of prior arrangements and it takes a lot of work to keep a whole community running.

    For me, some of the reservations I have about SGM are this:

    -Professionalism: The staff always have to be professional and act like they're office workers. There's not a lot of human interaction in game or even out of game and what is said by staff to players is usually very little. I think if we dialled it a little bit back and players were allowed to be a bit more jokey it'd be easier to play here.

    -Rules: Some of the rules are very wishy-washy and fickle. If I kill someone who throws a barrel at me, and then I ID their body and they're innocent, other people can kill me. It creates a dumb chain reaction of players just killing each other for a roulette to see who can kill who first. This and the common sense rules. I'm still pissed about that slay I got for killing a player for peeking around a corner and shooting at players because "I didn't explicitly see who or what he was shooting at". TTT relies a lot on intution and the rules are long and complex.

    -Harassment: The rules on harassment are to an admin's discretion and usually not laid out. If I get into an argument with a player fair enough, name-calling and mudslinging is natural but persistent harassment is either grossly ignored or heavily exaggerated.

    -RDM: Crowbar fighting is a mutual thing but you get slain for it? No option to forigve players for RDMing you if they apologise for a minor infraction? Accidents still get you slain? Come on now.

    I'm sure if the community became a little more lax about this stuff then it'd be easier to play and get along. We even have the "no mods no rules" when the servers get funnier tenfold.

    That's all I wanted to say. Maybe Serious should become a little less serious in order for the community to thrive a little harder.
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  2. I'd be more than happy to become staff if the criteria for joining was a lot easier. I feel like there are a hell of a lot of players that are capable and long-time players but it seems very serious.
  3. Siddo

    Siddo Banned VIP Bronze

    SGM is shutting down for a plethora of reasons, including but not limited to lack of developers - and thus lack of development. With the server crashes being ongoing for nearly a year now, it's obvious that it would take its toll on the community. And the community itself has slowly fallen apart for a lot of other reasons.

    As for the other things:
    Professionalism: staff do not always have to be professional. The only time professionality is mandated is when acting as staff. Meaning, it's not okay to slay someone for "Retard killed me for nothing" - that's just not okay. But other than that, there's no staff rule that you need to have a stick up your ass.

    Rules: You killed someone innocent. Whether that kill is justified or not by something else, that still leaves the observer with the impression that.. y'know. probably shouldn't trust that guy. In fact, you should probably kill him too, since he did seem pretty intent on killing that guy. But the rules allowing a kill does not mandate making that kill. As you correctly say, TTT relies heavily on intuition and judgment - should I or should I not kill here? On the flipside, our rules cracks down very hard on killing on suspicion - and why shouldn't they? If you kill people based simply on gut, then what's the point of the mind game in the first place? It just becomes a death match.
    If you kill someone simply for suspicious behaviour, then that detracts from the game here.
    Now, you could absolutely construct the game around allowing kills based on suspicion, intuition, and or reasonable doubt. And it could be a ton of fun - but that would be an altogether different experience to play.
    We have the SGM style TTT here, and while there are frustrations in areas, it's one I do overall enjoy.

    Harassment: The overarching rule is there and covers just about everything it would ever have to cover. However you're not the first to bring up that some things go unhandled, so this is an area we can improve our handling. The main intent of the harassment protocol is to prevent people from building a negative atmosphere that makes people want to leave. And a lot of people end up wanting to leave when there's harassment and micspam, because they can't enjoy the game for the two guys yelling slurs every 3 seconds while blasting their fire mixtape on max volume.

    RDM: You can get forgiveness for accidental RDM from moderators and to my knowledge, mods are not uptight about forgiving things, as long as the victim forgives. And even if something wasn't accidental, an admin can be approached to give discretion anyways. Personally I'm happier not slaying people, so if people sort out their differences and the RDMer didn't cause half the server to die as a result, then I have no qualm with that person being forgiven. It makes it more fun to play and spreads good vibes on the server.
    As for crowbar fighting, if that's your kink, that's cool with me. And I know it's kind of a TTT custom at this point. But whether you agree to or not, you're killing each other without any real, game-related reason. Serious is in the title for a reason.

    In summary: staff are meant to enforce the rules. But our real purpose is to ensure a good time for as many people as possible on the servers. That means not being so strict that saying something 4 decibels "too loudly" gets you gagged, while also not being so lax that the server becomes a veritable shitshow.
    But the hull is already punctured, so the ship will sink. All that's left to do is make the most of the time we have left together here at SGM :LOL:
  4. Kärl

    Kärl screwdriver Banned VIP Silver

    yeah, we can keep sgm alive by not slaying for crowbar fighting. its that easy guys, cmon!!!
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  5. I love strawman arguments.

    Is that really the only part you could disagree with? Dumb post, dumb person.
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  6. Kärl

    Kärl screwdriver Banned VIP Silver

    everyone knows im dumb, its the effect im going for
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  7. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    Please explain. I don't know a lot about managing a server, but I genuinely don't get what the problem is. What do we need developers for? I hope you're not gonna say "for new content", because we don't really need new content to survive. The server crashes also aren't really that big of a deal. The community falling apart is also not something that I noticed or care about that would somehow result in the deletion of the entire server. Are people being too dramatic here or is there a real reason I'm not understanding?
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  8. Dani has a point, because as far as I'm aware TTT doesn't really require all that much maintenance beyond what it already has. You could easily move to another server host if crashes are an issue.
  9. UncleBee

    UncleBee VIP

    @Siddo❄ it also has to do with the fact that @Highwon doesnt want to run this place anymore
  10. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    What does Highwon do?
  11. UncleBee

    UncleBee VIP

    sucking on his toes i guess
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  12. Fear☠

    Fear☠ The Dark Lord Elite

    He is the owner... He keeps the servers alive with money... I he chosse to stop paying for the servers, the servers are gonna shut down.

    Atleast he's using the last bit of money that came from SGM to keep theservers going for a little more time.

    As to why Highwon has lost his interest is a private thing.. Just accept it.

    Move on or make your own community and see if you can run one.
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  13. UncleBee

    UncleBee VIP

    he keeps the server alive with donation money, if he lost interest he should've left and passed the community on to someone else, or just shut down in general(before he made opal an owner)
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  14. Fear☠

    Fear☠ The Dark Lord Elite

    He recently lost interest, due to some private matters on his end.

    Opal was prob made owner, because of his dedication and developer work.
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  15. UncleBee

    UncleBee VIP

    lol ok
  16. Saturnity

    Saturnity SGMs Personal Planet VIP

    Well almost every developer left. And yeah, i said it, we need developers with the amount of shit that breaks in gmod because updates tend to break stuff, and people like when there is new shit every holiday. They already tried getting a new server host to fix crashes, it didn't work.

    Everyone is leaving because why stay in a community that has a population that will just decrease slowly over the next year? Why wait for the inevitable? Just gotta pick your shit up, pack up, and find another TTT community. Most of them are just staying because SGM will be there last Garry's Mod community for quite some time, or waiting for the release of Opals dealio.
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  17. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    It's pretty simple, Developers add shit and make sure it runs, halloween, christmas events, skins, gamemodes etc, Highwon want's to give content to people who invest their time and money here.

    However, he doesn't have the time to do it anymore, and he doesn't want to take money for nothing.
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  18. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    Are you all just guessing or has there been an official statement? He is shutting down the server because he's getting money for nothing? That's the reason you are giving me?
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  19. It's been stated multiple times on various posts, he's lost interest in it & and no devs. He gets enough to keep the servers running but has no interest or capability in doing so
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  20. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    That's completely different information from what I was quoting though??