Invalid Report against the big man RFCOIL himself

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by Indy226, Jan 11, 2021.

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  1. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP

    Name of Staff/Player:
    the big man RFCOIL himself
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    No
    Your Steam ID:
    No
    Which Server:
    Vanilla
    Which Map:
    minecraft city v4
    Which Round:
    N/A
    Time of Occurence:
    irrelevant
    Reason For Report:
    So uh, isn't throwing props at other people a Traitorous act?
    RFCOIL slayed me after i killed @Night for this reason​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
     
  2. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP

  3. Night

    Night Day Moderator VIP

    found the footage of my recording, editing the footage to the part of the report.
     
  4. Night

    Night Day Moderator VIP


    So at 0:24, you throw a prop at me damaging me. So I go over to you attemtping to damage you too which I didn't do because I suck ass at prop killing.
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    So basically, you did a t-act by damaging me with a prop.
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    Now the part that kinda confuses me is that you had prop damaged me, which is a t-act, and I tried to prop damage you, which is a t-act. So idk who's in the right or wrong here man I just work here.

    ok bye

    (THIS IS ASSUMING RFCOIL HAD SLAIN YOU FOR YOU DAMAGING ME WITH A PROP)
     
  5. RFcoil

    RFcoil Yes Moderator Legendary

    So @Indy226 this was an RDM slay because @Night did not do anything traitorous. He pushed you with a crowbar and had he actually thrown the pig enough to where it was dangerous it would've been dismissed I would consider that a drop at best. In my video evidence I have a great example of a player throwing a prop at or towards another player in a traitorous manner...
     
  6. Spitefulvenom

    Spitefulvenom I got a WAP and can not lie Administrator Elite

    I have seen this and will respond after work
     
  7. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP

     
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  8. Spitefulvenom

    Spitefulvenom I got a WAP and can not lie Administrator Elite

    Okay so @RFcoil was in the right you did not only damage but then also kill night and although i can understand why the reason kill could be considered a T act the prior damage would be enough for a slay imo. So imma be marking this report as invalid however i will speak with coil about props as a refresher. Is there anything you wanna add before i lock this?
     
  9. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP

    I am blind, close the report
     
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    Uh, shouldn't this be marked valid? RFcoil did not slay for the damage. They slayed for what they perceived to be RDM, which we can see is not the case. You're trying to validate RFcoil's slay using those two points of damage when they expressly state that Indy was slayed due to Night not doing anything traitorous.

    Sorry to chime in here, but there is a logic issue with marking this invalid due to the two points of damage Night took. That damage wasn't the reason the slay was issued.


    A case can be made made that RFcoil made the right decision on the throw not being traitorous looking at the deathscene which I would agree with. Looking at Night's perspective though, that was definitely an attempt to kill. They're definitely showing two different things, the full picture only being seen in Night's video that is posted post-slay.


    I'd mark this up as this: RFcoil's slay was correct from what information they had at the time given the lackluster death scene. After further review post-report it would be seen as invalid given Night's video, but again, RFcoil made the right decision given the information they had at the time. As far as the two points of damage go it's unreported damage that seems to have taken no part in the decision to slay and is therefore no factor. In fact, the damage didn't even show up in the logs.

    Report technically valid with no real corrective action needed.
     
  10. RFcoil

    RFcoil Yes Moderator Legendary

    Very good analysis Enemy I'm glad you agree on nights throw not looking threatening at all in reference to my DS . I still disagree this should be considered a valid report on me for Indy's slay and to better articulate and hopefully help you understand my reason and thought process I'll explain my video a bit better since it is what really tells the story from the judges eyes. I want to start off by saying this was a thorough investigation because I know Indy has his TTT staff/player report as his home page ;) kidding... I know when he trolls and when he is a serious TTT player so I watched this scenario a couple of times and my video stars when I finished compiling the evidence and began my conclusion based on what I got.

    I angle the camera showing night approaching on the first DS at :04 so that he is visible in the ds for the first report where it shows him get hit initially.

    Second DS takes place about 40 seconds or so after and Night still had not done a single traitorous act. I ensured that Night didn't damage indy for the crowbar push which he did not. :26 seconds into my video you can see that Night picks up the prop but he does not throw it in indy's direction resulting in damage it goes into the hill on indy's left which then indy does a flawless prop yeet into the back of nights face.

    With all of these things explained I hope you can better understand my thought process and construction of the scenario with the context given to me through DS and logs which resulted in a slay for indy. The response for the crowbar was because I was giving Indy the benefit of the doubt in his response for why he would think he got hit with a prop as I did not see the weak prop yeet attempt as a threat at all, "Maybe he thought Night hit him but only pushed him?" was what I thought to myself. Night did mention the Damage before the Kill in the VICTIMS reason @Enemy "Rule Bot" Below .
     
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