Invalid Report against Jabba the slut

I've seen this and will provide my evidence shortly.

 

Let me break the ice here to say that all the other stuff we discussed in private, irrelevant, doesn't matter, who needs it. Because regardless of whether or not it was a false KOS, it did not result in damage to you or your death.

You were damaged by two people upon the KOS being called on you. Royal, and veL.

First, let's look at Royal, who was the person you believe to have called a False KOS on you.

Spoiler: Damage/Shot Logs

We see here in the bottom portion that Royal shoots you at 2:49 with an AK47.

However, in the above portion we see that you shot first (#HanShotFirst) just before he did, using a M16.

We can inference from this, that he likely shot you for initiating fire. You never reported him for damaging you, only for calling the KOS, so we can't be certain. Thus, we have to take all possibilities into account.

Now let's look at veL. It took me awhile to get a response from him, but he did indeed respond.

Spoiler: Talking to veL

Due to the amount of time it took for him to get back to me, he had been AFK, he was somewhat fuzzy on the details.

He goes on to state there were more than one reason he planned on killing you.

1. There was a KOS.
2. You killed an innocent in front of him. (Royal)

Spoiler: Logs for Reference

veL states above that he hesitated killing you, allowing you to identify the body. After you identified it, and veL saw Royal was innocent, then he killed you.

So what has this investigation determined? In the end, neither Royal nor veL killed you because of any KOS.

• Royal shot you because you initiated a shootout with him. (Probably.)
• veL killed you because you killed an innocent.

Therefore your report against Royal for his False KOS, regardless of whether or not the KOS was False, was invalid; because the KOS did not result in damage to you, or your death.

@Lordyhgm for her conclusion.

@veL in case I misrepresented his side.

 

Locking this until Lordy responds. This isnt the place to discuss restructuring rules. If you have any evidence that pertains to this report, you can PM me or any staff member to get this thread unlocked

 

Aight, so it was plainly a KOS on sus, but a false KOS is not inherently RDM since that requires damage or death to come about as a result of it.

The rule in question:


The way that this handled is that only damage caused because the player was KOSed is held against the caller; if the victim is shot for another reason then it is not held against the caller (since the shooter may not even be aware of the KOS).
So I had a little dig around to see if there's been any consensus in the past as to how 'direct' a death must be to qualify. The largest thread that was still somewhat recent that I could find was this one. The general consensus that I saw was that it is strict and contentious and that the way we handle it now is the same as it was back then. We will not add a slay to a player if the damage wasn't the direct result.

So, how does this play into the report: Vel watched you kill someone and decided to only kill you once it was IDed as an innocent, they knew of the KOS but it was not the sole reason they killed you. If you had not been KOSed, vel would still have been justified in killing you (and likely would). Since we don't have split-responsibility and the damage needs to be direct, Jabba was correct to not slay Royal for Vel's kill.
It's a similar story with Royal's damage: you fired the first shot of the fight and in how we handle these cases their KOS was no longer the sole/direct cause of the damage, nullifying any RDM.

Even back in 2014 this was a tenuous topic, but if you would like, you can bump an old suggestion or make an up-to-date version. Just be sure to read through the reasons behind why we handle these cases in these ways so you can suggest a wording/way of handling that's an improvement and in line with where the community stands nowadays.

If you got any questions just hmu on discord

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