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Invalid Report against Ashes Relandi + (Agent A / Yuuki)

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by Jabba the Slut, Jan 12, 2018.

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  1. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Elite

    Name of Staff/Player:
    Ashes Relandi + (Agent A / Yuuki)
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    STEAM_0:0:29687455
    Your Steam ID:
    STEAM_0:0:67243880
    Which Server:
    West 2
    Which Map:
    Richland-Community Bowling
    Which Round:
    The slay was issued Round 1 of Bowling.
    Time of Occurence:
    6:40 ish CST
    Reason For Report:
    This report is in no way to suggest Ashes did not adequately carry out their duty, as after I disputed my slay they sought admin discretion before finalizing my sentence. (Discretion was obtained from Agent A and Yuuki, according to Ashes.)

    We were on Richland, and as is my custom, I was holding out in the basement by the barrel tunnel, waiting for someone to come around and activate the traps. A couple players did just this, activating not the barrel trap, but the electric door trap just beside it. So, I killed them for committing a T act, as I have done many times before, and have been reported for many times before, and have never been slain for any times before. I'll cite this from the extended rules, section map-specific rules.

    Richland:
    • Activating any of the traps in the map is Traitorous.
    The reasoning for the slay was that, due to the fact that particular trap is harmless, it is not considered a T act. However, this is not noted, nor expressed with exception anywhere in the rules. (And as I said above, I've done many times before and not been slain in response to a report.)​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
    https://imgur.com/a/v5B5f
    (Two slays because I killed two players for this trap.)​
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2018
  2. ptownslayer21

    ptownslayer21 giraffe's least favorite VIP

  3. Ashes Relandi

    Ashes Relandi ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Dat Weeb Admin Administrator Elite

    Heyo, I've seen this. I'll provide my evidence + recordings shortly.
     
  4. Agent A

    Agent A Veni, vidi, vici VIP Silver Emerald

    I told @Ashes Relandi to slay you because
    1. that does absolutely nothing at all. It does not even damage or kill you or anybody. It's useless decor that sits there to look fancy on the map. If you want to kill somebody that endangers other people, kill people for activating the barrel trap, the hammer trap, or the tripwire trap.
    2. I was informed that you killed several people over this one.
    Providing we are talking about this one:
    [​IMG]
     
  5. Ashes Relandi

    Ashes Relandi ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Dat Weeb Admin Administrator Elite

    Hey @ThePirateThief ,
    So as mentioned, I was merely following standard protocols and even discussed this with you via pm's ingame. Since you state that it was kosable despite being harmless, I did indeed contact an admin to verify as per Yuuki.
    I'll just provide the standard evidence that led to 2 slays.

    Here are the reports and the damage log associated with one of them.
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    And here is the deathscenes/video in regards to the above mentioned trap that we're discussing:



    Because that "Trap" is harmless, I originally gave you a slay since it's just for decor and deals absolutely 0 damage. After consulting with an admin, they made ruling to slay since it's not a harmful trap. Because you killed 1 and attempted to kill another for the same trap, I applied two slays.

    This essentially covers up my side of this report.
    I'll leave the rest to @ant. and @Yuuki if they have further input.
     
  6. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Elite

    Again, had I been slain over a year ago when I started and told that that particular trap isn't KOSable because it is harmless, I'd be well and dandy. The main issue here is that I have been killing for that trap for over a year, been reported, and been pardoned per Richland's map-specific rule. An error in continuity.
     
  7. Agent A

    Agent A Veni, vidi, vici VIP Silver Emerald

    https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/why-was-the-richland-map-specific-rule-removed.42706/
    https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/extended-rules-accuracy.40906/

    That has not been part of the rules for over a year so you have been rdming for more than half of a year if that's the case.

    Regardless, I still stand by my decision to give you a slay for killing people for using something that does nothing except look pretty.
     
  8. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Elite

    Players are expected to read the rules, and some expect them to read the extended rules. It is not known to me that any expect them to search through the Q&A for clarity on rules or extended rules that appear clear. It appears an error that the extended rules does not explicitly state that only some of the traps are indeed KOSable, and to the untrained eye, a new player might expect that a contraption with the same panel of activation as the lethal traps would also be dangerous. However, again, the point is not solely if the matter is RDM, it is that if it is, I have been getting pardoned for it for over a year, which should not be the case.
     
  9. Agent A

    Agent A Veni, vidi, vici VIP Silver Emerald

    If you were being pardoned for killing people for activating the "electric fence", then that lies on the staff's fault for pardoning you.
    It should've been reported to their superior.
    However, the "electric fence" is not even a trap.
    It does nothing at all. It can't damage people. It can't kill people. It can't even tell whether the person is a traitor or innocent.
    It's just a decor.
    The only similarity it shares with the traps of Richland, which are the barrel, hammer, and tripwire at the house with the bars and metal sheets for the windows, is the way it can be turned on.
    You do not have to look into QnA for this ruling. It was and is never a trap.
    Even without my discretion, @Ashes Relandi can and should still slay you because you still committed RDM.

    I'll tag my superior, @DieKasta .
     
  10. ptownslayer21

    ptownslayer21 giraffe's least favorite VIP

  11. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Elite

    1/19/18
    • Clarified Map Specific Rule - Richland:
      • Added "lethal" to Activating any of the lethal traps in the map is Traitorous.

    Hehe, felt this was relevant. Extended rules change-log. Also, bump.
     
  12. Agent A

    Agent A Veni, vidi, vici VIP Silver Emerald

    Because I got @HelixSpiral to update it in attempt to clarify it so we don't get this same confusion of the rules.
    Furthermore, it was @HelixSpiral who reaffirmed my initial claim that it was not a traitor trap.
    Hence, I made the third post to clarify to you that it's not a trap and what you did is RDM.
    So either way, you still rdm'd.
     
  13. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Elite

    You and I don't agree. That's been established. All I want is this almost two week old report be finalized.

    *Also, on a slight side note, I had no idea you were both Agent A and Yuuki. I had been wondering why Agent A had been absent in the thread. Lol.
     
  14. Destiny Blade

    Destiny Blade CHINA NUMBA TREE Moderator VIP Bronze

    Gonna tag @ant. for the Ashes side of this and @DieKasta for Agent A side of this.
     
  15. ant.

    ant. I'm not your da da MVP Silver

    There is nothing more to be said from my side as @Agent A explained it perfectly. @Ashes Relandi was correct in the virdict, and asked an admin for verification. Again, how is a button that does not kill considered a trap?
     
  16. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Elite

    I find the prospect of proposing my reasoning tiring as it would just be regurgitation of the points I've already made. Points that are argued, but I've explained myself reasonably enough in my opinion. There's nothing for me to say that I haven't said already regarding the issue.
     
  17. DieKasta

    DieKasta :Blackalien: Forever VIP

    Sorry for the delay,

    The button you're talking about doesn't do any damage. It's not a trap. We added a clarification in the extended rules to clarify this further, however the staff's verdict was correct in this case. I'll be marking this Invalid.

    Thanks,

    -Kasta
     
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