Remove Discretionary Team

We have 4 admins on each team it's not even needed now
Hell look at spitefuls teams with 2 people. There are plenty of spots on the staff team for the discretionaries to go.

 

it's still discretionary, less chances than a normal mod would have in term of mixups and less likely picks via normal admins

 

Nah it's just a faster pick up. It would be better without disc team since admins should watch for behavior and look for signs of recklessness imo. Also stops quick pickups and people going offline for days at a time and not being able to hit the 15 hour biweekly mark.

 

No

 

I think I should become the first Lead Admin that is solely apart of the discretionary team. This way everyone is happy. This is my suggestion.

 

Can someone tell me what this means... Are you upset that the staff team has groupings?

 

alright lets do a counting lesson. We have 8 admins and there are 5 spots each for every admin. 8 x 5 is 40 and we are only filling like 30 of those spots. 2 people on discretionary team right now and they can go into those 10 or so missing spots. What im saying is that we dont need it right now and its just a quick pickup and prolonged trial period. When i was a tmod for the original discretionary team, it lasted a month and i only needed like a week or 2 to improve on reports. Do we really need these spots?

 

What does this mean? Whats a discretionary team? Why do you think trial periods are prolonged?

 

Lmao

 

@Merrily spooky adult , lemme point out a few things:

We most certainly do not have 4 admins on each team. Jabba has 4, and Lordy has 3.

Spite's team has been the victim of a wave of recent resignations, and he just hasn't found any candidates to fill the vacated slots yet.

Not really. Each admin has the right as an admin to pick up only the candidates that will not only be successful as a staff member, but also mesh well with their team's dynamics.

You are so far off-base with this comment that it is comical. Lead Admins have the ability to pick people up who, as I stated earlier, wouldn't have had a chance of being picked up without the Lead Admin doing so. Take me as an example. @Lordyhgm saw fit to pick me up for a 2nd trial phase because she saw promise and potential in me that the other admins of the time didn't, and also saw that I sincerely learned form the mistakes of my 1st trial phase. I will give you the fact that we're having a problem with our staff consistently hitting the 15-hour requirement, but a lot of that can be attributed to things that are related to IRL issues. We at SGM are absolutely not going to take someone away from their IRL obligations/problems. Period!

Taking me as an example again, I actually benefited from my elongated trial phase because I was able to get my rule knowledge almost down to a lock.

Because of these points, I will be giving this suggestion the HARDEST of -1's.

 

I just say less tmods so IDK

 

The self-burn is real given you're a member of the discretionary team.



But in all reality, these members should be rotated into active admin teams. I totally get having a discretionary team for a defined purpose that can be articulated, but keeping them on indefinitely because no one wants to pick them up is a problem.

Leads are there to lead the server group as a whole along with their under admins. If workload from leads supervising mods can be shifted to under-filled teams, it should be done.

Over my course of time at SGM, leads have tended to say they're too busy to do things at one time or another. How about removing a time sink that can be shifted to another qualified person that is underutilized?

 

As the original member of the discretionary team, I can wholehearted confirm that this did happen.

 

First of all, I want to point out that I originally created the discretionary team for two reasons:
1. @Woet was constantly in my DMs, worried that quality applicants were wasting away and the staff team was full.
2. There was a push to increase the number of slots each admin had

Now, I actually disagreed with number 2 and I still pretty much do. I thought it would create an undue burden on admins that didn't have the time or resources to pickup another moderator. I also figured that 4 was enough, but perhaps I was a tad bit biased. Idk lol. Fundamentally though, the idea of the discretionary team served a few different goals:

1. I wanted to pick people up that served time slots that were understaffed, specifically slots that Woet staffed (the graveyard shift more or less). In that sense, I picked people up that Woet specifically had mentioned seeing on the servers. Whether those people actually staffed during those times was not really a concern of mine, just that they normally played around those times was a good indication of when they would actually staff. I bet if you asked him, Woet would declare that this was a failure. rip lol.
2. I wanted to be able to promote people that showed exceptional potential, but could not be promoted due to logistical problems (such as not having enough slots, not having any admins that were willing to take the jump).

What did I not intend for?
1. I did not intend for the team to be a long term solution. I figured that those teams would be dissolved and the moderators would be folded into existing admin teams as soon as possible. I unfortunately resigned before this could become a reality, but I should have made it more clear.
2. I did not intend for these teams to be directly supervised by lead admins. In reality, I was hoping to out source the work to an admin that had desires to take it up, to manage the trial mods and the moderators on the team. As it stands, lead admins really do not have the time to manage a moderation team. This has been proven by how long the trial phases took since I have been gone, and while I was there.
3. I did not intend them to be used as much as they have. The team was mostly designed to fit a need or needs at the time that weren't being met by the admins or the amount of space we had open. That's it. I didn't really intend them to be a lead admin's back pocket moderation team.

I actually agree with Enemy here. He actually puts into words the exact sentiment these teams are suppose to fill. Ultimately, they should be used temporarily to provide for the staff team those individuals who are needed most. For now? I don't think they are needed.

That being said, I just wanna say that I did not expect this decision of mine to be so godamn popular. You people make me fuckin blush.