Let everyone read the damagelogs at any time.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Canceled Fish, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. They're literally no valid, reasonable excuse for not letting everyone see the damagelogs other than allowing staff to get away with not doing their jobs correctly. Backseat moderating? Maybe just warn people for that instead of limiting the damagelogs to a 10 seconds time window and a few text based damagelogs that don't even show the entire damagelogs.

    For example, when I'm killed by a prop or killed by a fellow traitor using a T trap, or blown up from an explosive barrel, there's no possible way for me to personally check who did this. And honestly, most of the mods don't know how to use the ULX menu correctly. When you have to teach the MODERATORS of the server how to use the damagelogs correctly, it's kind of fucked up and pointless to limit the use of the REAL damagelogs to only staff.
     
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  2. nilz

    nilz A stereotype Dutch male gamer: cocky, rude/toxic. Banned VIP Bronze

    fully agreed, allow F8 logs so i can check and make sure if the mod handling my reports handled it correctly
     
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  3. Hongo

    Hongo Banned VIP

    Best thing to do as a user is just bind "ttt_print damagelogs" to a button and hit it if u been rdmd at the end of a round to get a console shot of logs
     
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  4. nilz

    nilz A stereotype Dutch male gamer: cocky, rude/toxic. Banned VIP Bronze

    shut up nerd cuz you cant check deathscenes and/or highlight damage done by specific players with that, '' print_dmglogs '' is like a ghetto f8, just give us proper damage logs
     
  5. Sticky Bandit

    Sticky Bandit Never fall below your standard Moderator Supporter Bronze

    This is the best thing you can do.

    If you were rdm, don't even worry about finding the person who killed you. You can just report the mod who's online and they'll handle everything for you. Just explain the situation and they'll handle it.

    Normally I would say "just use admin chat" but I've seen that get ignored or forgetten before, so it's best to just report the mod in game.

    I don't think y'all need the full damage logs. Backseat moderating would easily become a problem, very quickly. I understand we can just punish them, but why create the problem in the first place?
     
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  6. Hongo

    Hongo Banned VIP

    Staff dont even use the death scene half the time, and yeah, you can highlight specific damage, it's called holding down your mouse button and dragging it to highlight lmao
     
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  7. nilz

    nilz A stereotype Dutch male gamer: cocky, rude/toxic. Banned VIP Bronze

    how would it create more backseat moderating? you guys should be open to scrutiny, so please allow regular users to have access to F8 so we can check if mods handled reports correctly, this would also prevent a bunch of unnecessary reports as you can just check your own deathscene incase you don't understand why you were killed. it's just very convenient please add stop being sheep thx

    do u even ULX bro
     
  8. wink

    wink strangers like me Administrator VIP Emerald

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  9. Tony Danza

    Tony Danza Member

    ttt_print_damagelog in console. It's really that easy
     
  10. MiGGo

    MiGGo coolgamer Gold VIP

    Probably just used as an excuse, because this was never tested to be true. People also claimed that death scenes cause strain on the server but guess that was a fucking load of shit and we ended up getting them anyways.

    People that are going to backseat moderate will backseat moderate even without F8 logs. Don't take away good features from good players because of a few assholes

    Inconvenient to use (Half the time you copypaste something from console it takes something completely different) and just all in all a load of shit compared to how much better F8 logs are.

    Probably an increased amount of forum reports (And the quality of those reports would go up too since players would have more tools for evidence) since there's not nearly always staff on. Also maybe players would be more inclined to apply for staff when they've already familiar with the F8 logs from their normal player days

    ok but we wont get them because nothing is being added dont know why I wrote all this XD
     
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  11. nilz

    nilz A stereotype Dutch male gamer: cocky, rude/toxic. Banned VIP Bronze

    delete this this guy doesnt even play??
     
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  12. Pacifist

    Pacifist Very Strange Lead Admin VIP+ Bronze

    If you don't trust the staff team to take care of your reports or investigate things properly then I don't know what to tell you. Adding logs is not going to benefit you in any meaningful way, you are still going to argue with every conclusion the mod or admin makes. That is just how we do this song and dance. Then again idk. I don't feel too strongly one way or the other.
     
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  13. Lordyhgm

    Lordyhgm Karma drain Administrator VIP

    I won't comment on the rest of it as it's been covered 101 times, but the title says at any time.. If we were to take that literally you'd have access to who's traitor the instant the round started.. no. As for allowing access to previous rounds logs, I can see some value, but asking "yo who shot me" isn't hard for either you or the staff member.
     
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  14. Cupcake Mayhem

    Cupcake Mayhem King of the Jungle Moderator VIP

    I mean if this actually happened to you (where you had to show the mod how to use menu) It should be shown to their admin, there's no reason for a full moderator to not know how to use the F8 damage log (we don't use the ULX Menu for damage logs). If you've been RDM'd by a prop and it doesn't show who killed you, all you have to do is ask, and as long as it's not last second at round 6 of the map they should be able to provide you with an answer.
     
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  15. Agent A

    Agent A Veni, vidi, vici VIP Silver Emerald

    No offense to Opalium or anything, but sometimes, it's better to take things he says with a grain of salt.
    A lot of issues that gets the blame placed elsewhere seems to only happen on SGM itself.
    Sure. Opalium is good developer, but if other communities can make sure that their servers don't crash on them or have these f8 damagelogs without having any server issues, then SGM can do the same.
    Again, it's best to take some things that Opalium said in the past with grain of salt because other communities have proven Opalium's point incorretly (or that he doesn't care or want to optimize himself, but then other communities' f8 is basically same without added feature that SGM has).

    This is for rest of the thread.
    Secondly, console damagelogs is the most tedious and hard to read feature of TTT. By allowing users access to f8 damagelogs, the users can bring in more higher quality evidence to back up their point. Not only that, if staff is abusing his or her authority to not do reports properly, the f8 damagelogs can be used to deliver better quality evidence than just consle damagelog. If you are doing your job properly, you shouldn't be worried about staff complaint report because you did everything properly. Can it increase staff backseat moderation? It's debatable. It can increase. At the same time, it can decrease or even remain the same.
     
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  16. Dani

    Dani Impersonating Staff VIP

    brainlet post
     
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  17. 11Cent

    11Cent Trial Moderator VIP

    You can't just wait like 5 minutes till the end of each round?
     
  18. Floof

    Floof Just a ball of Floof Moderator MVP Silver

    Staff have gotten pissed off at me for doing this before lol

    Just use @.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
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  19. TangoFox

    TangoFox The Best Is Yet To Come VIP Silver Emerald

    I'm not exactly sure why this hasn't been locked by an admin already. All these posts end up being is a round and round thing.

    Players don't need access to more information where they could use it to loophole a situation more than use it to report someone.

    Bind a key to print logs; there's even a key bind menu in F1 settings.
     
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  20. .shirt

    .shirt VIP

    How about instead of locking it we have the head honcho himself say yay or nay. @Highwon
    Btw it’s a nay from me let’s focux on more important things like reimbursements of the items that I bought that were rolled back, a boys broke and needs his 10k back.
     
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