In Regards to a Couple Words...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pokeben10, Mar 2, 2021.

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  1. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    I realize this thread might be a bit lengthy, so please bear with me...

    I was talking with a fellow staff member earlier about SGM's rules regarding the use of the words "nigga*" and "[f slur]*." This moderator is from the UK, where the f slur is commonly used to refer to a couple things: cigarettes and a meatball dish. Because of these other meanings, this moderator was in favor of an unbanning of the f slur if, and only if, it were used in context, ie talking about the dish or cigarettes. I, however, was not in favor of an unbanning. They also argued that "nigga" is equivalent in meaning to the n word (hard r) because "nigga" is simply a shortening of the n word.

    *"n word" refers to the slur used to demean black people, and "f slur" refers to the slur used to demean homosexuals (you know the ones).

    Here's what I think: "Nigga" is not racist and should be allowed in the SGM community. Over time, the n word has evolved from a racist, demeaning slur to a word that shares little to no meaning with it's original counterpart. In fact, I see the transformation of the word to be somewhat empowering; a word once used to degrade is now used to greet a friend or acquaintance.

    The problem arose when this moderator wanted to allow the use of the f slur and I didn't, and I wanted to allow the use of "nigga" and they didn't. What I believe this boils down to is there is a cultural divide when it comes to the use of certain words-- several EU staff members are fine with the f slur, while us NA staff definitely are not.


    Here's where you come in: I've made a short questionnaire regarding this topic. It asks things like, "Should 'nigga' be allowed on SGM? Why or why not?" and "Should slurs be allowed on SGM? Why or why not?" I'll be posting your responses (minus the your name) as they come in. Your cooperation in this short form would be greatly appreciated! Feel free to discuss in the comments below.


    NOTE: Slurs are strictly against SGM's rules, and those who use them in this thread will be punished accordingly. Please take this thread seriously as I think this could be a great tool for us staff and an excellent learning experience for us all! Joke/meme responses will not be given the slightest bit of consideration. And yes, I realize it might be a bit difficult to discuss slurs without using them...
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  2. Lunar

    Lunar 8:00PM VIP Silver

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  3. ok
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  4. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    I talked to lordy about this before ( about the f slur )
    she said it's fine when used in that context, but if ur loopholing with it then the slur rule'll apply

    Lordy has also used it in the SB before so i always assumed it's fine as long as ur not pushing it
  5. RyanHymenman

    RyanHymenman Conscript the women and kids Administrator VIP Silver

    The answer to this, and Ill say it now, is that it is against the rules. However some of us will use our best judgement and might choose not to punish for it.

    Just wanted to point out that you do this at your own risk. We, unfortunately, do not have much leeway with how to interpret the slurs rule.
  6. Sticky Bandit

    Sticky Bandit Never fall below your standard VIP Bronze

    I think it's really stupid that I can't call my friends the gay F word in a game where we get to play as terrorists, and literally commit war crimes by blowing people up screaming "LELELELELELELELELE"

    War crimes = ok

    wrong speech = not ok

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  7. Scrungy

    Scrungy VIP

    freedom of speech much?
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  8. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    i thought nigga was allowed but yknow white people and shit
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  9. Xproplayer

    Xproplayer VIP Silver

    lmao is this white people debating whether or not the word "nigga" is racist? I'm sure the actual black community is so appreciative that you were able to universally deem that "nigga" isn't racist
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  10. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    I don't even fucking know dude
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  11. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    I find your assumption of one’s race purely based off of their opinion on the matter at hand to be rather rude and quite unproductive. We are a community of many creeds and origins, and this thread was created to see what others think and to learn from one another.

    I ask that if you have an opinion on the matter that you quickly fill out the form (takes 5 minutes) instead of just sneering at the mere existence of this thread.

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  12. Scrungy

    Scrungy VIP

    I sure hope that moderator didn't block me on discord
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  13. -tyler

    -tyler My trial was filed as a crazy suicidal head case. VIP Bronze

    Both words should be banned.
    It's not that hard to grasp. You might not get offended at any usage of these words, but that doesn't matter. Some people might. I understand the argument with the F slur, but I still think it should be banned purely because it does affect some people. And not being allowed to say the f slur does not affect anyone, at least not to the degree of being called a slur directly. That shit can hurt much more than you realize, especially when it's used to make you feel like your less than. Context SHOULD NOT matter.

    The rule, in my eyes, is to protect players on the server who MIGHT get offended. You want a word to be unbanned because YOU think of it as a greeting, while many others might not. Why have a rule that might protect SOME people, and then remove that rule in favor of people who just really want to say slurs? And the rule isn't hard to follow, just omit it from your vocabulary? It is simpler than the RDM rule!

    Keeping the rule affects nobody because you have no obligation or need to say slurs. But removing the rule affects a lot of people. Especially newbies who are just trying to find a server that respects them. Not everyone is gonna want to join a server and immediately hear slurs being thrown around by people who only do it because they can.
    Unless you have a medical condition in which you desperately need to say slurs, keep the rule.
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  14. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    It appears that I did not make myself clear: I am NOT in favor of allowing slurs. The question was included purely to gauge how the community felt on the topic.
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  15. capri sun

    capri sun VIP

    Look, I'll be honest, some of these people remind me a lot of people I went to school with, who called me a lot of shit I can't type down here, even before I came out, even though I look more like my white side. And these people do make a looot of borderline jokes. I personally could care less anymore, at a certain point that shit just rolls off. Hell, I heard a lot of slurs directed to me when I first joined, but I'm still here clearly. But I'm more so thinking of someone like that bright eye kid from years back, who really doesn't need to hear that shit all the fucking time
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  16. Scrungy

    Scrungy VIP

    it's just a word. Lol.
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  17. Yellow

    Yellow VIP

    I liked the last question where I got to name all the slurs I know
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  18. Xproplayer

    Xproplayer VIP Silver

    bruh in this quote you just tried to come at me with your form data.... then 5 seconds later you post:

    "gauge how the community feels"

    So your data is simultaneously good enough to try and diss me yet also just a "gauge"

    You're mixing up "is nigga racist" with "what does the community think", don't word your thread as "is XXXX racist" because you'll never be able to get a proper opinion, this is a fucking gmod server.
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  19. Yellow

    Yellow VIP

    Can't you just ever shut up?
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  20. dazza

    dazza Staff Trainer Banned VIP Bronze

    See my arguement was the racist meaning of " nigga" pre dates the apparently "non racist" meaning, people use it because they can it's also impossible to be able to tell every single time which word is being said due to accents etc

    Here in the UK as pokeben said the long f word is a food and the short f word is a cigarette I've been alive for 28 years so let's say 20+ years of hearing and using those words in my daily life and suddenly I'm expected to basically forget those words from my vocabulary so I don't offend someone when I tell them what I had for dinner? Not happening

    And, again both the long and short f words non slutlr meanings (so cigs and food) massively pre date the homophobic slur meanings

    Oh and just to be clear I'm not campaigning for them to be allowed per sé, in the past I have used both words in proper context without punishment intact I've seen it a lot in the past but I recently had a debate with jabba in which he ended it with "context doesn't matter" which is what sparked this
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