Change Ghosting Rule

Discussion in 'Rules and Protocol' started by Pokeben10, Jun 17, 2020.

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Should this be considered ghosting?

  1. Yes

    77.1%
  2. No

    22.9%
  1. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    As the rules currently stand, a living player PMing another living player who is a traitor is ghosting.

    Should this be considered ghosting?

    I would argue that it should not be considered ghosting specifically because of one factor: where's the ghost? Where's the dead player relaying info? It's called ghosting for a reason! I don't see why living players should not be allowed to relay round-related information to each other. Telling another player that someone is a traitor in public text or voice chat ruins that element of surprise that the innocent player previously had when the traitor did not know they had been figured out. The use of PMs keeps this element of surprise.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. Paradox

    Paradox The One Eyed Ghoul Banned Elite

    the issue arises with the pming command not coming core with ttt and never being meant to be added to ttt its part of ulx, there was never meant to be a way to do this
     
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  3. j3kawesome

    j3kawesome "mestimate" - Indy226 Administrator VIP Silver

    I agree with Kaneki, also the Innocents were never given a way to secretly communicate like the traitors or detectives. The point of this is to let the traitors know what the innocents are acting so that they can adapt their strategy to fit the status of the game given by the information.
     
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  4. Adlactor Nell

    Adlactor Nell Advertiser Friendly, Right out of the box! VIP

    I initially thought it would be a good idea but this will lead to reports using PM's as evidence which cannot be viewn as a moderator and would make it harder for them, plus it would enable some to loophole and say that someone who left told them that a person was a t.
    Tl;dr seems like a good idea at first but it causes more harm than good
     
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  5. Cash

    Cash I staff the proper way Banned VIP

    All inno plans should be available to traitors to hear, there's no inno team chat for a reason -1
     
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  6. Twitch.youtube.com.ttv/AAAAAAA911

    Twitch.youtube.com.ttv/AAAAAAA911 Now you just somebody that I used to know VIP Silver

    +1
     
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  7. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    +100000000000000000000000000000000
    I AM A VICTIM OF THIS BRUTIST RULE, REVOKE THIS OR ELSE I WILL RIOT
     
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  8. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    can't they just be made viewable to a mod or admin?
    this is a thing on other servers to prevent ghosting
     
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  9. Cash

    Cash I staff the proper way Banned VIP

    I don't think I'd want staff seeing my PMs o_O

    If the rule doesn't change (which it won't) it wouldn't need to be implemented
     
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  10. Paradox

    Paradox The One Eyed Ghoul Banned Elite

    this will always be considerd ghosting.
     
  11. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    ok my mind has been changed
     
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  12. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    why?
     
  13. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    because it's creepy lol.

    and they don't need to see my private conversations anyway
     
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  14. Cash

    Cash I staff the proper way Banned VIP

    Private
    Message
     
  15. Lordyhgm

    Lordyhgm Spiteful smells Lead Admin VIP

    Yes, it seems silly to call something so small ghosting and lump it in with full-on malicious ghosting, but it's kinda a compromise for a few reasons.

    You got a player using PMs to KOS a T
    > Guaranteed report, T thinks they've just been RDMed out the blue
    > Traitor feels hard done by cause they were unable to act on being KOSed
    > Mod's gotta ask for proof of the pm
    > Players are being asked to take the time to upload a screenshot
    > if they are unable/unwilling to provide proof then it's WvW - mod's stuck and Traitor's pissed
    = Easy to abuse and no one's really happy either way

    Anything that could be said in pms could be said discretely in public chat anyway. "Follow me for the HS" as opposed to pming location etc

    And from a gameplay perspective, it's a balancing act of a game about deception and giving all players a feeling of fairness and fun. Allowing things like KOSes in pms comes with players feeling unfairly hunted for KOSes they never knew about and never had an opportunity to react or too or even lie/talk their way out of, and along with the above situations the balance weighs in favour of the easiest and most enjoyable path being that of not allowing pms containing round related info.


    People talk about private stuff in private messages, it'd be useful for catching ghosters but you've got privacy concerns and anyone doing it maliciously is in a discord vc anyway
     
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  16. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    In a video game??
     
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  17. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    Yes.
     
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  18. Paradox

    Paradox The One Eyed Ghoul Banned Elite

    its not gonna change give up indy
     
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  19. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    Giving up is not an alternative for me
     
  20. Paradox

    Paradox The One Eyed Ghoul Banned Elite

    Its not gonna ever change so what are you gonna do?
     
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