Rejected Add a vote punishment system.

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Hongo, Jun 14, 2019.

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Consider implementing a vote kick system to sgm servers?

  1. Yeah, I want that.

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  2. No, I don’t want that.

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  1. Hongo

    Hongo VIP

    Often, there are no staff on in the waning hours or the night, and when rdm happens, theres nothing we can do but gang up on the rdmers and kill them every round until they leave.


    If we were to implement a Democratic Voting System, in which if say, 80% of the people online vote Yes or No to kick / ban (1 hour maximum) / mute / gag someone, it'll happen. These punishments will be limited to one round maximum for the mutes and gags so it cannot be overly powerful and liable to abuse. It will reduce the amount of 'street law' required to combat RDM without staff on, and perhaps it will even knit together our community stronger, for us to be able to come together and vote, as a single entity, to uphold the rules and maintain good gameplay.


    Reporting someone on forums when they are currently rdming or causing trouble often doesn't result in action for 8-12 hours, and it NEVER fixes current gameplay problems. Such a voting system would allow players to be able to maintain order for themselves, by themselves, without requiring Big Brother staff to be present at all times.
     
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  2. Hongo

    Hongo VIP

    Also, I think the same person should not be allowed to call a vote every round.

    You get one vote per map (per person) how about that? I'm open to suggestions here, let's hone this down to make it as effective as we can.
     
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  3. .shirt

    .shirt VIP

    Easily abusable, -1
     
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  4. DocFox

    DocFox The Best Is Yet To Come VIP Silver Emerald

    Can't trust y'all not to revenge RDM. Wouldn't be able to trust you with a vote punish command.
     
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  5. Fiz

    Fiz getting the teeth pulled out Administrator VIP

    A voting system is can easily be abused. Sure, you can add these safety measures to try and combat it, but it will still occur. Some squeaker could easily join the server and talk and would be kicked/gagged for no real reason except for the fact people don't like his voice. One person can vote per map sure, but what if other people in the server feel the same way as the one that started it? For RDM, regulars do not have all the information that staff have for kills. So I will bring in the situation that I brought up in shoutbox. Say someone is prop damaged/prop killed. The logs will not always show whether someone was killed by someone else with a prop. This is where death scenes come in. We use them to show whether someone has been damaged/killed by a person or not. (don't try to use this as an argument to let regulars use damage logs as there is already another thread on that) If the server doesn't have all the information except someones word, the system could easily be abused. -1
     
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  6. scuffed water

    scuffed water i tried to pay attention but attention paid me. Lead Admin VIP Bronze

    Not going to repeat what’s already been said, this is a terrible idea.

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  7. Voca

    Voca o.o Moderator VIP

    Will never work in this community
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    The Helper rank suggestion is better than this.
     
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  8. Hongo

    Hongo VIP

    So street justice is BETTER than democratic voting? Because, that's what I'm getting here.


    With no staff on, we have literally no choice but to combat rdm with rdm. Reporting something on forums and waiting hours for a response is bollocks, it doesn't fix immediate gameplay.
     
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  9. Hongo

    Hongo VIP

    I also notice how this thread immediately dissolved into people disagreeing with me, instead of us DISCUSSING shit like I asked you to so we may try to hone in on a system that would work and allow users not to combat RDM with RDM when theres no staff on. Literally none of you seem to ever read an entire post, you just read the first line and decide "nope, stupid"


    Disappointing, as usual.
     
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  10. Hongo

    Hongo VIP

    @Canceled Fish look at this shit mate, theres no winning with these idiots lmfao
     
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  11. scuffed water

    scuffed water i tried to pay attention but attention paid me. Lead Admin VIP Bronze


    Alright hongo, you make a suggestion, and it gets negative feedback, you immediately turn to saying negative things and calling names in shoutbox because you don’t like what they said. How are we supposed to trust you with the power to enforce moderator actions? Who’s to say that if you get rdm’d you don’t encourage the server to gag and mute someone and completely ruin the game for them? That reaction is the exact reason that this suggestion isn’t smart.
     
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  12. Ashes Relandi

    Ashes Relandi ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Ashes to Ashes Moderator Elite

    Simply said by others, this is a horrible idea.
    - Easily abusable cause trolls will just kick someone out with 0 reasons.

    I don't see what there is to discuss. There is really no other way to combat staffless RDM. You're going revenge RDM? Well you're gonna get banned/slain then complain about it.

    A karma health system which was recently suggested is probably an easier way than just giving non-staff powers.

    I doubt we can trust a number of players with any sort of power to eject anyone out of the servers. I can name several already but I won't. It will just lead to being power hungry as many think staff are anyways.
    Even if it wasn't for RDM, you're just gonna vote kick someone simply because "I don't like them".
     
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  13. Ive seen this implemented on other servers, and its suffice to say that it is almost never used for its intended purpose, and inane.
     
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  14. .shirt

    .shirt VIP

    Discussing? What more needs to be discussed other than it’ll be abused? That’s a discussion point.
     
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  15. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 no, no estoy VIP

    I like your optimism, but I simply cannot support this- it would never work. (n)
     
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  16. Carlton

    Carlton (Something interesting here) VIP

    Hmm. No...
     
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  17. Elvis

    Elvis Resurrected. VIP

    Tbh this isnt a bad idea. Ive seen this implemented on many many many servers without any problems happening, because a vote needed a very high percent of the server to agree. Those honest people will outweigh the trolls and the abusers, considering most who play actually play rather than full on troll.

    Everyone is denying this suggestion immediately because it can be abused. Yea, it CAN. Will it? Probably a few times. The bans/mutes/kicks would all obviously be logged in the implemented system sgm has, and those found abusing it can be punished. I want to add that you guys give trolls too much power. This is a GREAT way of getting rid of trolls instead of giving trolls a way to ruin a server. 10/1 ratio of honest players that want to play, to trolls on the server, and its crazy that you think they outnumber the honest ones.


    Votemute/gag should be locked max to 1 round, with a cooldown of at least 2 rounds.

    Votekick should have a cooldown of at least 1 map.

    I know there is a voteslay command, but its !slay rather than !slaynr or !aslay ( ) and im not sure if there is a voteslaynr command. If there is, max 1 slay per map per person and cooldown every 2 maybe 3 rounds.

    Voteban imo should be longer than 1 hour. Lock it at 2 hours to allow a decent gaming session if a voteban is ever needed, so they dont come back and troll rather quickly.


    All cool downs listed should be server wide. Meaning each player would be on cooldown for that command after a successful vote.

    After a single player has a successfull vote they should be on cooldown from any command for 2 maybe 3 rounds.

    And my last suggestion is to have the highest possible need for percentage. 80% is not enough to keep trolls from fucking shit up. 90% - 95% is the most ideal.
     
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  18. SavannahBananaGaming

    SavannahBananaGaming I Love Bananas :D VIP+ Emerald Bronze

    To easy to aboose -1
     
  19. Espurr

    Espurr Daily reminder that you're beautiful and Loved Administrator VIP+

    it's a thoughtful idea, I just don't think it will work here, Chief
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  20. MiGGo

    MiGGo coolgamer VIP

    Hongo if this was implemented you would never be allowed to play
     
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