Completed Report against RyanHighman

Name of Staff/Player:

RyanHighman​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

Staff​

Your Steam ID:

<---- under my name​

Which Server:

Vanilla​

Which Map:

office​

Which Round:

5​

Time of Occurence:

07:20​

Reason For Report:

Refused to slay for RDM even after I provided proof of RDM due to low damage
so its ok to RDM me for 6 damage (yes got hurt multiple times), have me kill the guy (lost karma) and get killed by others
not to mention he probably damaged others doing this​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

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Ima tag @RyanHymenman and @Jabba the Slut

 

Seeing as you provided all the video evidence, I will just be providing the report

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The reason I decided to exercise discretion to not slay. Not only did his action posses little to no threat to you. You made the hyper-aggressive choice to shoot him, resulting in your karma loss and being killed. In the reasonable sense of TTT gameplay, someone whipping a body around and incidentally damaging you shows no suspicion that they might be a T.

That is my reasoning, Ill leave the rest up to Jabba

 

the evidence is only half the duration this went on (as I am limited when using gyazo but didn't want to spend ages cutting and uploading to youtube), he went on to damage me again for another 3, he is purposely hitting the props with that body causing damage to me and highly likely others
yet I'm hyper aggressive for killing him?
was I ment to wait for atleast 50% damage to me? or maybe kill me or someone else which ofc is possible with what he was doing...

 

You failed to mention the second incident or even the fact that you took more damage. When I closed the report you asked why. I responded saying I'm not going to slay for 3 damage. Then you went directly to a forum report. While the damage as a whole for 6 damage is minor, the repetitiveness of it would lend insight into the motives they had. Since you failed to mention this, I still stand by my in game verdict.

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And without proof of this other set of damage, I still wont be adding a slay. Even with the proof, I'd have to look at old logs and the context of the damage before I make a verdict.

 

yer I went directly to forum report because you decided to step in (not the 1 handling report) and close a report refusing to slay for damage, with out saying anything to me
since when is the exact number of damage been a factor and staff refusing to slay for it?

 

In this case it wasnt just the quantity of the damage, but rather the circumstances of the kill. You were told that we didnt have any evidence of damage from the damage logs so you went to gather evidence. I knew the situation, even if I wasnt the one who had the report in progress. I stepped in and closed the report because I was the one using discretion to not slay once I saw the evidence that you provided. Since it was my decision, I was taking responsibility of the report. The evidence you provided was not enough for me to justify someone sitting out a round

 

Id also like to point out that I was never asked for specific details, to me damage is all that was needed to prove rdm...
the message I got from night who was after more evidence on the matter (I assume he watched some of it in the DS) but due to how the damage was caused it wasn't logged.


of which I gave a 10 seconds gif which is easy enough with gyazo

 

What he did was RDMing. The argument here is if I went past the reasonable power of my discretion to not issue a slay. Discretion is meant for cases where the spirit of the rule doesnt fit the letter of a rule in a given situation (in a broad sense).

 

I'll be handling this late tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

 

Alright, upon my own investigation I noticed a couple odd things, so for now I'm requesting a more in depth POV from Temar if possible.

 

Sure I can provide that later if that helps

 

ok here a a video shows the whole incident of the rdm



you can see him recklessly bashing that body around the props causing them to hit people and cause damage, I know for a fact at least 2 people were hurt due to it (view logs, wrong name logged)
due to difficultly proving rdm I gave a picture to help -

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but was deemed not enough, it shows him, the body etc and damage but since no motion not good enough which is fair enough
so night said


then I quickly made the gif seen above (which is time limited but more than 2 seconds..)
next thing I knew the report was closed by ryan, and nothing was said until I questioned it
to which all I got was

which annoyed me and since I haven't really ran into a situation were staff refused to punish before I came to the forum

now ryan called me hyper-aggressive which annoys me even more in this thread

and as for reasoning why I acted and believe he should of been slain
damage me multiple times + others
it was reckless behaviour / deliberate so I choose to act
could of easily killed someone by whacking those props around.

 

Alright, I'll wrap this up, thank you.

The wrong name being logged was due to the Discombobulator going off seen in the background of your video. This is why I wanted a more in depth perspective, to see just how the discombobulator affected things.


Though as the video shows, it had no affect on you actually being damaged.

It is also pretty clear that @Martin Fud was intentionally acting in a way that could (and did) damage players.

You were also damaged by a couple people following your kill on Martin, suggesting a chain RDM.

Because of these reasons, I don't think discretion should have been exercised here, though I do believe Ryan meant well. I'd have sided with him if it had appeared to be accidental prop damage and no chain occurred.

I also think there was a lack of communication on both parties. This definitely could have been settled outside of a report.

Ryan also confided in me when I mentioned the Discombobulator that he hadn't noticed it, let alone investigated its potential impact on the situation.

So for all of the reasons mentioned above, I'll be marking this report Valid. A slay will be added to both Martin Fud and RyanHighman. I'm sure this report will serve as a lesson for him when dealing with these situations.

Report: Valid.

 

Spoiler: Me

Spoiler: Martin

And yeah. I talked with Temar before Jabba posted his conclusion. We came to an understanding that my message came off as aggressive and I should have investigated more in depth, and that more communication would have been more efficient. But thank you for challenging me, Temar. Otherwise I would have likely just known that I mishandled it.