Invalid Report against Jabba, Frost.

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by Rozboon, May 30, 2020.

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  1. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    Name of Staff/Player:
    Jabba, Frost.
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    NIL
    Your Steam ID:
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    Which Server:
    West 1
    Which Map:
    NIL
    Which Round:
    NIL
    Time of Occurence:
    Monday
    Reason For Report:
    Supposedly I was "Instigating" in shoutbox last week by stating a ban reason for a previous member to someone else who has close ties (I'm trying to be as general as I can because we're not allowed to be specific about these things)

    Got an pm from frost (Who wasn't even in shoutbox at the time, just was going off a "report" from another member, who they won't mention whether it was someone involved or not)

    Jabba gave Frost the go ahead to send the warning on weak evidence of any type of "Instigating" and I was also told that I was "Deceiving" other members into thinking it was a discussion (which is turned into because Ketsu was throwing out random shit)

    If Ana is the one who reported it, then by all means close this as they are the only person who could have reported it that I would care about (As it was between us 2). I want to know why A) We can't bring up previous bans especially it's fucked up reasons, and B) Why can people still report on other's behalf when they have no connection to what's happening?

    *edit oh and not at any point did Ana ask to drop it, Ketsu was the only one and even asked us if we wanted to drop it which neither of us responded to.​
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  2. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

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    Oh and here's ketsu getting in on the conversation.
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    Asking us if we are ok with dropping it, and neither of us said yes or anything for that matter.
     
  3. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    And I also tried to figure this out through PMs as seen but was hit with some fun replies
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  4. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Lead Admin VIP Silver

    I didn't didn't give anybody the go ahead to do anything. Frost asked my opinion and I agreed with him. Frost is a big boy, he makes his own decisions.

    That is the only thing I have to do with this situation, so I'd thank you to leave me out of it.

    @Lordyhgm
     
  5. Frost

    Frost Frosted Pun King VIP

    You never received a PM before the warning, you always receive a PM with a warning. Sure I was not around, but there's something called Discord that lets me view the history.

    You say I nitpicked out my evidence, when you clearly have nitpicked small things here.

    Hi Roz,

    You received a report on your profile May 25th, 2020. Looking into the contents of the report, I decided to check the shoutbox history and found you to have been instigating drama with someone who is dating Siddo. You continued your perpetual barrage of insults in an attempt to get Lawes to fight you back.

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    This was shoutbox before you began.


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    It began with your first message as you can see here, clearly a strike at Anastesia.
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    Here you clearly began to instigate her, regardless of whom she is dating, or whatever that player has done in the past, is something that does not belong in shoutbox.
    The definition for "instigate" is "incite someone to do something, especially something bad." Here you're clearly trying to start a fight with 'something' that's a bad even. IE Siddo's history. This was not needed at all, and just began a troublesome discussion in SB where you made someone feel harassed. Words like "Why is he banned from SGM" or "Refresh my memory" clearly words to incite anger from Anastesia. Again absolutely unnecessary.
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    Here, Ketsu, another mod, had asked you to stop, and you didn't stop at all whatsoever. You played innocent like you didn't know what you were doing, everyone in shoutbox knew what you were doing Roz.
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    Again trying to use the ban reason to incite drama.
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    Then you again tried to bring up another controversial topic. Repeatedly asked to drop it by Ketsu. Also attempting to bring up another ban to use to flamewar, again, not needed.
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    You got petty towards Ketsu here for trying to do his job and preventing you from bringing up a past issue.
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    Ya then continued to bring up the topic that was asked of you to have dropped. But you have a point, have people ask Highwon and the leads about Siddo's ban, you have no right to bring it up and use it as ammunition to incite drama with another player of the community. All of this could have been simply dropped if you had just ignore what she said, but you didn't.

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    You then continued earlier this morning, you also deceived a player by making him think you were "discussing" it, when using Siddo's ban reason as a means to start drama with Anastesia, as Dazza perfectly covered, is not allowed. You completely lacked to drop it even a day later.

    Like most mature people, you realize you cannot change people's opinions and or come to conclusions with someone inciting drama, Haise mentioned the age gap, and Ana had just dropped the issue because there was no more use into fighting it more.

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    Those two images themselves reveal you instigating with the way you worded your message. "We've been through this Roz" Clearly shows a state of discomfort. "why is he banned from SGM" "Refresh my memory" Again still instigating her to jump at you. Ana thanking Ketsu, after he told you to drop it, clearly shows she was feeling harassed, and that you were instigating drama. She just took the mature route and eventually stopped talking about it, because as I've stated, she knows better.

    Ashes also brought this up:
    1. You're bringing up past events that honestly should be long done by now. (siddo situation). We've already dealt with people for bringing this (or similar things) up trying to stir up some drama.
    It's unnecessary and you were asked to stop by Ketsu.

    2. If you want to talk about a perma banned player or why they're banned sure that's fine, but don't just flat out call people out for being a 'pedo". Doesn't matter if they were banned for it, keep it yourself. There's a big difference between a formal discussion and just calling out/flaming someone.

    Flaming someone out right, especially behind their back is instigation. This is hardly a "discussion".

    You sir absolutely filled out those three points.

    This report is clearly because you weren't satisfied with the conclusion given by Ashes. Ashes is a smart guy, and knows when to discipline his mods, and he clearly saw I acted on the correct behalf. However you re-reporting me, despite Ashes already concluding your forum PM report, shows you're not happy with the way it went because your warning point is still there. That's on you for failing to act in accordance with the rules, and not being mature about this. Jabba has already informed me about when to warn people and when not to warn people, and if he and or Ashes felt like this was the case, then the warning point would have been removed.

    Please abide the rules in the future, and we won't have issues like this.

    @Ashes Relandi to re-wrap this up for me.
    @Lordyhgm for the daily report on Jabba
     
  6. Frost

    Frost Frosted Pun King VIP

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  7. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    Where did i say i recieved a pm before the warning?
     
  8. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    "I talked to Jabba before acting on anything, and he agreed with me on giving you a warning point,"

    You are still half responsible for it.
     
  9. Paradox

    Paradox The One Eyed Ghoul Banned Elite

    Roz, as you can see all this I asked you to drop it I only left cause my ipad died, you never did drop it you didn’t just talk about it because in your opinon he was one, you just wanted reactions and to make other people mad and hate on ana, atleast From my view as a former staff you should know not to do it, so why continue, I don’t wanna take anyones side but at this point your just trying to bring hate to them just because you feel like it.
     
  10. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    When did i ever hate on ana? Look through all of shoutbox, only person you can say i hated on is siddo also the conversation was over before you left
     
  11. Frost

    Frost Frosted Pun King VIP

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  12. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    Alright now that I got some time let's go through this more.

    You should look at the time before and after the "reported" part, could help give you some context on the situation, and since you seem to hate nitpicking as seen in the next part;
    What comes around, goes around, understand now?

    The funny thing about this quote is that ana and I have never been through "this conversation" hence why i said "Refresh my memory" because it never happened. So you assume based on things said instead of asking when/what happened in the past. But after this situation, it doesnt seem like you like to dig in that far to figure it out, I could sit here and say you have a grudge against me over an old conversation we had a while ago because I find people who RP funny.

    But let's break this down more
    Don't put your thoughts behind my intentions, Ana said he's not a pedo, he's banned here for being a pedo, so "Why is he banned from SGM" is the evidence for what I said, and again the "Refresh my memory" is for the whole "we've been over this before" because as far as I can remember, we never have been "over this".

    I've cut apart the whole thing, from start to finish, please say this line to me again.
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    "Calling somone a pedo is not discussing/But it is legal in denmark" Last message sent from either one of us about the situation, who do you think sent this? Here, I'll include some more after it so you can see for yourself instead of having to look for it
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    Who said anything about formal discussion? do you even know what "formal" is? it's shoutbox FFS

    Who said it was a "discussion"?

    3 points?
    Point 1
    "1. You're bringing up past events that honestly should be long done by now. (siddo situation). We've already dealt with people for bringing this (or similar things) up trying to stir up some drama.
    It's unnecessary and you were asked to stop by Ketsu."
    Point 2
    "2. If you want to talk about a perma banned player or why they're banned sure that's fine, but don't just flat out call people out for being a 'pedo". Doesn't matter if they were banned for it, keep it yourself. There's a big difference between a formal discussion and just calling out/flaming someone."
    Point 3
    "????"
    Is this your third point? "Flaming someone out right, especially behind their back is instigation. This is hardly a "discussion"." this is the same as 2. Also what do you consider flaming? Stating the ban reason for someone is flaming them?

    You really need to stop putting your intentions onto what I do, it's the whole reason we are in this situation as I've stated it before. The whole reason we're in this report is because it's been a week and the replies in the PM are slow, this way they will hopefully come a bit quicker as it's in the public and you can't just ignore it like you can with PMs.
     
  13. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

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    I'll just add this professionalism here.

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  14. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    I've got more free time so here's some more to add with what Frost has said through the PM.

    "you know Anastesia is dating Siddo"
    1) I don't keep tabs on SGM relationships, only thing that I've ever seen mentioned was that Ana wants to be siddos housewife, as it was the sentence that started this whole thing.

    "so you know if you brought up anything she would be quick to react."
    2) People joke all the time about being each other's wives/husbands/etc, Panzer is my wife, doesn't mean we're dating, doesn't mean if someone said panzer was cheating on me would make me react any faster or slower.

    "Roz, your history shows you getting yourself into trouble and getting into problems with people. Meheezy got introuble for bringing up drama with Doc's ban, and you're not exempt from that"
    3) I'd like you to send me a PM with my "history" or at least what you've heard of it, could be interesting. As far as Meheezy goes, why are you discussing that with me? All I know about Meheezy is that he made multiple accounts (According to the forums reports and appeals involving him) and nothing about him and Docs ban.

    "I'd offer you just follow your custom title for "forgive and forget, or just forget""
    4) Ok? I think you're trying to put more into the scenario than there really is, Something was said, the known facts were brought up, theres no past grief or hatred for anything or anyone involved so why would you say this?

    "There's no need to get into issues with other players, regardless of your past with them"
    5) My past with who? Ana? Siddo? What past is there between me and those 2 mentioned?

    I'll number this one so it's easy to link your response to mine.
     
  15. Noccam :^)

    Noccam :^) Regular Member

    If this earns me another forum ban for posting in reports that dont involve me, so be it, but this is a very slippery slope that either the staff team has to acknowledge is happening or the staff team has to back off. There should be no expectation of free speech here since SGM is a private community and does not abide by American laws, however censoring conversations about previous situations pertaining to SGM under the umbrella of “Instigating Drama” seems incredibly dishonest, shady, and concerning. Players should be able to speak about matters frankly and honestly, especially in regards to matters involving safety of the community and affairs such as the one question. I would personally like to know things of this caliber, and not allowing such information to be disclosed will only create an environment in which dangerous and harmful behavior is supported.
     
  16. Rozboon

    Rozboon Forgive and Forget, or just forget. VIP

    Guess i was wrong about reports getting handled faster if they are public.
     
  17. Ashes Relandi

    Ashes Relandi ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Weeb Admin of TTT Administrator VIP Silver

    Frost acted off a report on you and issued a proper warning point. Evidence was already discussed via PMs.
    So what I said in PM's is basically what I'm going to say here.

    You're bringing up topics that honestly should be left in the past. And to re-iterate, I never said talking about x reason for a perma ban is not allowed, but calling someone out as a pedo isn't allowed. You're not even trying to make it even close to a "civil/proper" discussion at this point.

    The ban is listed as "COI" for a reason.
    Whatever the matter was is private unless disclosed by said banned person, however it doesn't give you the right to just bring it up whenever you want. Even if it was to be made public, leave that out of the shoutbox.
    It's old drama, old news and really should just be left alone.

    But again, discuss if you want but keep it civil. It ain't hard.
    Some members have been warned for this before and you're no exception to this.

    Also Frost merely went to Jabba for an opinion on the warning as stated by Jabba. Frost's action is his own, not Jabba's.

    This report is invalid. (minus the small instance of professionalism which will be chatted about)

    Further questions/concerns can be handled via PMs. (Discord is usually faster by the way assuming I'm not busy at work)

    NOTE: Only locking this since Jabba isn't really directly involved but @Lordyhgm can say/add to it otherwise if absolutely required.
     
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