Rejected Make Hacking a Permabannable Offense

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Python~, Sep 7, 2019.

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How should we ban Hackers?

  1. Perma on first offense

  2. Global ban for 1 month, then Perma

  3. Global ban for 2+ months, then Perma

  4. Global ban 1 month, then 6-8 months, then Perma

  5. No Perma unless 3+ offenses

  6. Keep it the way it is

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  1. Cash

    Cash I staff the proper way Banned VIP

    My point is you're not going to see any difference in amount of people hacking with the change, you'll just see less familiar names since they'll use alts anyways instead
     
  2. ... is an IP ban not standard in perma bans? If not, JFC.

    It obviously won't stop someone who knows how to IP reset, but for your average 10-15 year old its a decent deterrent.
     
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  3. UncleBee

    UncleBee VIP

    wehhh wehhh too much work, i cant do anything cuz its too much work!!!! i want less work!! less work or im not going to do anything as a lead administrator! WEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
    WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHH
     
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  4. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    Coming from someone who has never even been moderator? Yeah, it would be a lot of work on top of what I already do. Again though, I don't care so much about the work, just that it would be very annoying.
     
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  5. UncleBee

    UncleBee VIP

    i have been part of many communties, multiple different games with a bigger playerbase than sgm's where they were able to handle hackers and troublemakers, you complaining about the work is just a simple excuse not to do ur job, if u r not willing to do it then just resign /shrug
     
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  6. Robyn

    Robyn Floof Moderator VIP Silver

    Its really not much since admins can globalize and extend bans to up to 32 weeks. You have over half a year to catch up on them if you get behind. Its like half an hour every 2 weeks when the average staff member should have 15 hours every 2 weeks. I get that upper admins have more shit to do but it doesnt mean you Can’t be on the servers for a half hour. If you don’t have time for that then why are you staff LOL


    Also going to add again that 2 out of 49 ppl who voted on the poll want there to not be permas for hacking. And for some reason i feel like both of those 2 votes were admin+...
     
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  7. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    I said that it would be annoying, not that I couldn't handle it. Jeez guys. I meant that I couldn't make it a thing because i'm not sure Highwon would go for it, seeing as this use to be a thing but was reverted back to being the way it is now.
     
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  8. Robyn

    Robyn Floof Moderator VIP Silver

    How come you change your reason when an ex-lead calls you out elsewhere? :confused:
     
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  9. Noccam :^)

    Noccam :^) Regular Member

    I dont see why you couldnt allow admins to permaban as well. It would lessen the load on the lead staff and allow hackers to be properly dealt with in a more timely manner. Mods could take evidence to their admins, and then the admins could ban them permanently.

    Edit: @Floof Explain yourself coward, tell me why Im dumb

    Edit 2: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but Rozboon is a no good cretin.
     
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  10. Python~

    Python~ Young Bard VIP Silver Emerald

    First offense should definitely be a global ban. Unlike ghosting, you can't "accidentally" hack. It is a pre-planned attack. Banning on a single server only gives them a chance to immediately go to one of the other servers and cheat there. More often than not, hackers banned for their first offense are banned again before a month even passes.
     
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  11. Robyn

    Robyn Floof Moderator VIP Silver

    Admins don’t deserve the right to perma.
     
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  12. Noccam :^)

    Noccam :^) Regular Member

    Why not? Should we not trust the staff that have served us for so long? Are they not befitting of the power of the perma ban? Nay, I say! They are worthy of the power, and more! Who are we to say that they don't deserve the right?! We are mere plebians in their midst.
     
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  13. Lordyhgm

    Lordyhgm Spiteful smells Lead Admin VIP

    Pls give perma power so my admin abusing erection gets bigger. But for real there’s just as little reason for us to have it and we’re far from infallible. 32w is more than long enough and best not add any confusion when dealing with a legal based perma for example.
     
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  14. Santa Claus

    Santa Claus Best Member VIP Bronze

    fuck them niggas perma ban they asses

    one ban be good enough for a warning then LIGHT THEY AZZ UP with that perma
     
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  15. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    Actually if you read the second paragraph of my first post you will realize I actually admitted there that I would be up to the challenge. I had heard that Helix made a post about this on a different site, I just didn't bother to look into it until you mentioned it here. I just read Helix's post, and I find it pretty funny. He basically just calls me lazy. Alright. Fair enough, he can have that opinion all he wants. I know for a fact that i'm not, and if the change was made i'd go along with it. I am indifferent towards the work, I just bring up how annoying it would be because there are so few of us lead admins, and the requests can really stack up after awhile. Helix wouldn't know this, but the evidence collection for hacking bans is still on going. I was only against it personally because my internet was terrible and it was impossible for me to upload that many videos of hacking. I could do it easily if someone appealed, but to have to upload it after every ban? It would take hours.

    So fair enough. I guess i'm just lazy. Never mind the work I put in though, and how i'm actively trying to find a solution here that is accepted, not only by the community, but the people at the top as well. If you would stop attacking me and actually listen to what I have to say you would realize that I am just trying to find a solution here that is workable.
     
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  16. Santa Claus

    Santa Claus Best Member VIP Bronze

    Please stay on topic
     
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  17. DocFox

    DocFox The Best Is Yet To Come VIP Silver Emerald

    Don't be passive aggressive and just make a decision.
     
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  18. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    I have already encouraged the admins to global ban on the first offense of hacking 1st. I will need to speak to Scuffed Water about the other things I mentioned above. Hopefully if everything goes to plan we will be banning hackers for a very long time in the future and hacking history will carry across all of the person's alternate accounts. This is what I had mentioned in my original post.
     
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  19. Noccam :^)

    Noccam :^) Regular Member

    People are being too hard on Pacifist
     
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  20. jshore

    jshore VIP

    staff are just incompetent when finding cheaters, like you all had a cheater as a mod for a while lmao
     
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