Completed Report against Fiz

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by tz-, Jun 25, 2019.

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  1. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    Name of Staff/Player:
    Fiz
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    STEAM_0:1:100507378
    Your Steam ID:
    no
    Which Server:
    West 1
    Which Map:
    Dust2/Lego
    Which Round:
    n/a
    Time of Occurence:
    ~5pm GMT-7
    Reason For Report:
    Fiz doesn't understand how rdm protocol works;
    he doesn't stack slays and apparently we reset rdm offenses every map change​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
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    allow me to elaborate on these ss
    1. Shortly after Fiz joined the backlog of reports started to get cleared relatively quickly, the player Tuffc along with a few others were trolling, rdming and ya know doing the works; here we can see Tuffc getting 1 slay for rdm offense 1 and then 1 slay for rdm offense 2. These slays were handed out during the middle rounds of Dust 2 and were most likely from the previous map of Lost Temple and the current map.

    2. The next map we went to Lego, on the first round Tuffc rdmed me and another AFK player, Tuffc only received the 1 slay for me and 1 slay only. You can see what I said and what Fiz responded with.

    3. Now at this point I was already kinda mad about how this situation was unfolding so there may be some evidence missing about the events that happened after this; here Tuffc is receiving another single slay totaling 5 offenses of rdm each only getting 1 slay as punishment. Shortly after this slay was given Tuffc got karma banned and I left to make this report because this is actually kinda dumb​
     
  2. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    tagging @Fiz and @Teroxa

    ps: no hard feelings fiz but i mean cmon
     
  3. Fiz

    Fiz local jihad pro VIP Bronze

    its fine ill respond in a bit lol
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2019
  4. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    LOL
     
  5. Fiz

    Fiz local jihad pro VIP Bronze

    ?
    So some staff members stack up the offenses every 2 maps or whatever. However we're not required to do that (which is was I was told a while back), I let it reset every map, same goes for gag/mute offenses *not slurs ofc*

    Regarding the AFK kills, I asked both if they wanted the player. One did not respond and the other said no. So I didn't take action against the player.
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    Anyways regarding the reports. 2 were on from the map before Dust which would have required me to use a death scene.
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    Now for report 2 I did mess up a bit because after gathering the screenshots I remembered you can look at the shot logs from the round right before map change so that is on me. But these were not slayable reports at the time in my head.

    Another mess up on my part was forgetting 2nd offense is 2 slays. Yeah that is on me and I'll do better to remember it.
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    The last part of the report I covered in the beginning, I am lenient as I reset slay counts at the end of the maps.

    Yeah this is valid as I messed up on forgetting that stuff. I apologize and will try to do better to remember next time I'm on. (ps. no hard feelings lol)
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2019
  6. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    im not trying to get anyone in trouble im just tryna make a point where rdm offenses shouldnt reset after 1 map change, and 2 maps changes is barely enough; back when i was staff the common thing that i heard was 3 maps and if a player has gone 3 maps without purposely rdming or trying to lie their way out of a slay then its no big deal. the problem here though was that this tuffc guy and his friends were obviously just trying to fuck with the people on the server

    also dont think you can just get away with this shit response lmao that was funny man you gotta be more professional in responding to reports against you
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  7. Fiz

    Fiz local jihad pro VIP Bronze

    I fully understand where you're coming from, I am a bit lenient and try not to be too harsh which is why I do that. Although they were trolling I try to follow my personal rule for everyone. Seeing as it is becoming a problem, it'll soon change.

    Also that 'whatevs' was meant for the "p.s" message as in no hard feelings either. its just how i talk sorry it came off badly, hence why i changed it after realizing how it looked bad.
     
  8. Teroxa

    Teroxa Vier Fäuste für ein Halleluja VIP Silver

    Hey there.

    I'll conclude this, since I'm currently responsible for the team @Fiz is on.
    Without much talking, I'll address the points brought up in the op.

    First of all, the fact that Fiz only took RDM offenses from the current map into account when handling the reports.
    So, it's widely known that offenses like RDM & leave have a set statute of limitations. Meaning that after a while, RDM & leave offenses don't stack anymore.
    This is technically also the case with regular RDM. The key difference however is, that our mods are a bit more free in how they handle these situations.
    Usually, a Mod's SoL for RDM is 2 maps, meaning they take offenses from the current, and previous map into account.
    But some mods, like Fiz prefer a more lenient approach. This is not against our protocol, as mods are free to choose a SoL that fits their style of staffing.

    However, after a quick talk with @Pacifist, we might consider changing this in an effort to make our staffing more consistent and avoid situations like this in the future.

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    Moving on to the other part of the report.
    Fiz already admitted his mistake here. But let's break this down real quick:
    Report ID#1 was from Round 2, which would require 1x slay.
    Report ID#3 was from Round 3, and would therefor have been a 2nd Offense of RDM.
    Since 2nd Offenses of RDM are punishable by 2 additional slays, this would add up to 3 slays total.

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    Last but not least, @Fiz's response to this report.
    Yes, I interpreted the message the same way. It really didn't look good.
    As Fiz said above, he realized that it looked bad and edited his post.
    I'll make sure to go over how to properly respond to reports again, and avoid messages that can be interpreted negatively.

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    Fiz already admitted his mistake regarding the wrong amount of slays applied.
    I'll have a quick talk with Fiz about this, but I'm confident that this won't happen again as it's just a simple mistake.
    To fix the mistake, one slay will be applied to the reported players account, and Fiz will serve one slay as compensation.

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    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I hope we can all treat it as a learning experience.
    Report valid.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2019
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