Hello, upsetti spaghetti triggerflake here. Spoiler: Rule Suggestion: Either make 2nd offense be just +1 slay or make 2 RDMs in the same round 3 slays. I don't care which, but make the punishment equal. Reason: If you RDM twice in ONE round, net result is you've killed or wounded TWO people without valid reason. You get slain twice. If you RDM twice across TWO rounds, net result is you've killed or wounded TWO people without valid reason. You get slain thrice. Despite having committed no more RDM than the guy who did two in the same round. That's silly. I want equal punishment for equal RDM offenses. Disclaimer: I checked back to November of 2017 and couldn't find anything similar.
I thought that it was weird tbh, definitely should be consistent. +1 Spoiler: imo I think it should be three slays for two RDMs even if it's the same round.
The main reason it is like this is because you should have learned after being issued the first slay. Especially considering the reason is explained to them (or rather it should be) when they get slain. If you RDM twice in one round you get slain twice for costing two players their rounds and you learn what not to do in the future. If you RDM once and get slain for it you should know what not to do the next time, hence the reason why the second offence (even though still costing two players their rounds) of RDM is greeted with a harsher punishment. It's in the wording, the second offence of RDM does not constitute to the second RDM kill but rather the second time you are being punished for it. Exception being RDM x3 and x4 which are stated to be an immediate ban regardless of the round(s) it occurs in.
when i was mod i gave 3 slays to the people i didnt like or where obvious trolls, bc i mean 1st offense is 1 slay and 2nd offense is 2 slays so 1+2=3 ez pz +1 btw
That logic doesn't really make sense, as not all RDM is exactly the same. You can't expect someone to know what not to do based off of one slay. Also, that's counting all RDM as intentional, which isn't always the case.
True but then again they should know what constitutes as RDM from the motd. Though not all RDM is the same, the point is the main principle behind the additional slay is due to the fact that it is a second offense regardless of the situation. Whether the RDM is intentional or not is beside the point, you can still be banned for Mass RDM x3 for unintentionally jihading your t buddies. (I would know I did it the day I got trial mod.
Im more Neutral here, as I can see both why you want it like this, but also see why it was made as it was in the first place as well as both Pros and Cons on both sides. The current slays suits how, the rest of the punishments are handled, the more you break a rule the harsher your punishment becomes, its easier for stadd to track who have been through a 2nd offense of RDM. While if its changed to 1 slay for each RDM, it may get harder for staff to track unless they need to start noting it down on a notepad o.o Not saying its impossible ofcourse ^^ But a lot of new players complains that it is 2 slays and we have a chance of loosing players because they get annoyed and leaves proceeded with a ban, while new player may accept 1 slay for each RDM they commit o.o But I will be staying Neutral wether to change or not .
That doesn't change that the main reason for this, according to you, is so people should have learned after the first slay. Given the wide variety of ways to RDM, you can't seriously expect people to learn all the ins and out of RDM from one slay. Handing out an extra slay for that doesn't make sense. I can see why you would view it as the second offense, but why isn't someone receiving three slays if they RDM twice in a round then? Why isn't it their second offense? There's no need to have this extra clause for two RDMs in two different round.
Getting 3 slays at once sucks more than getting 2 slays at once. But you can already get 3 slays in one go, albeit more rarely, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I really don't have an opinion on this suggestion, it's fine right now, 3 slays is fine, 2nd offense being 1 slay could be confusing for players unless we make it clear, but we can do that so it's fine too.
I get that it means 1st and 2nd punishment for RDMs are stacked. What I meant was why should it be that way? Why shouldn't it be equal? This suggestion would be changing that, so I'm curious what reasons you'd have against the suggestion, besides the wording of the note.
No No. Nothing I mentioned was meant to be taken as a "I'm against this suggestion: Kind of post, but rather as an explanation for the current rule and why it exists.
If I shoot a guy for an invalid reason and hit 1 person in crossfire, it makes no sense that I get 3 slays. So this part is def -1 +1 if doing this. I "ruined" 1 round so I get 1 round ruined as OP says.
I get where this suggestion and those who support it are coming from, but honestly it’s hard for myself to see such a change coming soon. The way i see it, the current protocol/“inconsistency” has been molded over time by a few factors. One of these can be seen as instances where a player rdms two players at once with no prior RDMs. Accidental frags, shotgun misfires, and other various scenarios make this a rather common thing where three slays would just feel over the top for. The other factor has already been brought up; the ‘’not learning from the first slay/offense’ factor. While it might sound silly to some, it truly makes sense double down on a punishment if the first offense wasn’t learnt from; while rdm may come in different forms, so does harassment, loopholing, and other silly things that get harsher punishments with each offense. That said, mods are free to approach the administration about modifying the amount of slays for a given situation if they don’t feel it fit.
