Lets say there is a sniper killing people actively. A bullet hit somebody right by you and you see that the shot came from the immediate place where player X stands, with nobody else near them and no chance of anybody teleporting and that player is in plain sight where there are no corners. However, you did not see that player fire, only seen that the bullet came from that exact angle and have deduced that they were the ones who fired the bullet and killed a player (innocent). If a person were to kill that player, is it justified? Wondering because I hesitated to shoot and kill a person for that not long ago as I was not sure (I didn't end up shooting them).
Interesting question. From just experience, you should be able to kill for this in my opinion because there is only so much a player can move in the time from them firing and you turning around. You can't even teleport in that time. I think this is a valid kill if you can pin down the location and angle to a single player and nobody else. From what I recall, the previous consensus was that you cannot kill for this when you cannot deduce with 100% certainty down to a single player, ie. in open areas especially when there are multiple players around or when the shot isn't clear which angle it was from. I'd be interested in what others think about this too. From past, this report was deemed a valid kill because sound,angle, and time was able to pin down a single player.
This is common sense and would be considered a valid kill, taking in account all of the details you mentioned.
The most important part of common sense: "This means that sometimes, even if you did not directly witness a Traitorous act, and if the situation leaves no doubt regarding the identity of the Traitor, you may take action against that player." (Traitor referring to someone doing a T act) Common sense is very flexible, as long as you can prove someone did a T act 100%, no matter the situation, you are allowed to kill them based on common sense. Common sense is essentially the opposite of suspicion rule, usually you cant kill based on weapon and location etc but if you combine all the facts in specific scenarios to prove the player you shot/KoS did a T act, you are in the right. For example taking your exact situation further except that there are 2 more players next to the potential shooter. However there is only 1 player holding an AWP, the other 2 are holding mac10 and Huge respectively. If you clearly hear an AWP shot kill the player next to you, you are still in right to kill the player with the AWP even though you didnt witness him shoot. As there was still only 1 person who could had made the shot with AWP to kill the player next to you without a doubt in that timeframe, you can use common sense rule to kill the player with the AWP for the T act of shooting towards other people(and killing them).
How can you be 100% certain that he is the only shooter if you do not verify that before hand? In this case you get shot at from a location, you turn around and only see one person so you kill him. Even if he has an awp that isn't conclusive because you can drop and pickup weapons very easily. Could we get a lead's opinion here? @Opalium @HelixSpiral @Graze
It’s circumstantial. It entirely depends on the location the shot came from but yes, you are allowed to shoot someone in this scenario if you’re able to deduce with 100% confidence that they committed the T-act, even if you didn’t see them make the actual shot.
But you would need to know before the shot ever took place how many people were in the location you got shot from correct? Say there is 3 people on a ledge and you get shot from the ledge, but by time you turn around there is only one person on the ledge. You can't be 100% certain in this case unless you knew that there was only one person on the ledge beforehand correct?
Not necessarily. If you’re in a position where you can swing around quickly enough after a shot it’s usually tell how many people are there without giving them a chance to escape, depending on the environment
Although this is a different question, it can fall under a similar category; if a player grabs DNA off of a traitor weapon that was just recently discarded (ie. an MP7 as you can get dna off of any weapon of the type), are you permitted to kill for that as the player possessed this weapon at one point and theres only that one bit of dna, not multiple other players' dna?
Yes, you can as you know that it's clearly from a traitor weapon and that the person once held it out (because he would need to hold it out in order to drop it).
