Rejected Reduce rdm and leave punishment

From my experience from other servers
The rdm and leave offense are actually short and not harash like
One of the servers had rdm and leave first is 8 hours
Which is short and other had 3/2 days for first offense
So can u reduce them from
5 to 3/2
2 weeks to 10 day
3rd offense to 3 weeks
For next offense you decide
Reason so harash for a single rdm offense

 

Is there a reason why or should we just go by the other server because...?

If you're not gonna explain your reasoning, I won't and don't have to explain mine

-1

 

Woops
Reason
Its so harash to over a single rdm offense

 

I mean there's other servers you can play on. Being locally banned doesn't mean you can't play on SGM servers.
I think the punishment for RDM and Leave is fair and balanced compared to my experiences with other communities that I have been part of.

 

Just don't leave

Memes aside, while I'm open to the idea of changing punishments, the semi-long bans mean the offender is more likely to notice the ban, and consequently take the hint of "don't do it"

 

Personally I think that the punishments are fine as they are. 5 days isn't terribly long for somebody coming on a server to intentionally break a rule then leave to avoid punishment. I would say we could review the procedure about cases that were less blatantly malicious. For example, I've been banned for doing unreported damage to a player (less than lethal) and leaving. Now, the staff member who gave the ban was very cooperative and quickly approved my appeal, which brings me to my next point.

We have a system in place to deal with situations where 5 days would be excessive, and it generally works well. There is already a solution to your problem that is readily available and known to regular players and is advertised regularly on the servers.

-1

 

We have 6 other servers you can play on. At least, up until your 5th or 6th offense, which at that point, the player should have gotten the message

 

Im giving a -1. If anything punishments are too soft on the offenders first offence should be a week to match with the policy of doubling punishments of every other offence. I never understood while it was 5 days then 2 weeks.

 

From my own knowledge i know that enough servers that have other rules then SGM, but the rules are how they are and for my personal view they are mild in comparison to some other servers who either global-ban or have a higher ROE then we have.

-1

 

The rdm and leave punishment is to discourage people from coming online just to rdm and then leave again.
There are a few reasons why I believe the 5 day ban is fair, but it all starts with the following: You will be obviously notified not to leave the server once somebody has created a report against you, or once you have gotten your slay.

This means there can be no mistake that you are not supposed to leave. If you still choose to leave there should be a repercussion.
The reason why I believe 5 days is fair compared to 8 hours is to discourage players from leaving. If they would only get an 8 hour ban they could just rdm before they went to school and come back on the same server when they get back from school. This wouldn't sufficiently discourage players from not rdm and leaving. I believe if we would shorten our punishment by that much there would be a lot more players who'd just rdm and leave, because they can come back in a few hours anyway.

Another reason why I believe 5 days is fair is since it is proportional to our other rules.
RDM and leaving should get in many situations a harsher punishment compared to for example spamming.

Another reason why I believe 5 days is fair, is that you can appeal unfair bans. Besides the fact that we always wait a few minutes with banning people for rdm and leave, to give them a chance to come back if they accidentally crashed or pressed a wrong button to see if people come back before we ban them, we also allow extenuating circumstances. If your girlfriend went into labor and this is the first time you rdm and left, we can forgive that occasion and unban you. Though I do want to note: first time offenders will have a far higher chance of getting unbanned compared to people who continuously break rules, as they should know better. But mistakes happen, we're not the worst, we can forgive mistakes!

And the last, small reason, is that we still have many other servers players can play on. The first three offenses with rdm and leave will only give you a localized ban on that one specific server.
If after being banned three times you still do not realize you should not leave, you kind of bring a global punishment upon yourself.


All in all, we have made it very obvious to everybody that they are not supposed to leave due to the big warning they get in the middle of their screen. Besides that we will wait to see if the player reconnects for a few minutes, giving them the chance to reconnect in the case that their game crashed accidentally. If they then still choose to leave and do not come back that means they left intentionally, crudely said it means they consciously and willingly break our rules.

 

Reduce RDM and Leave 1st to this:

1x RDM = 3 day
2x RDM = 4 day
3x+ RDM = 5 day, which is what we have now.

 

Lets not change anything, alright?? - 1.

 

can you go 1 day without saying anything really fucking dumb

 

No

 

I don't think it was your intent, but you bring up a good point. I do feel a scaling RDM & Leave punishment system would feel more fair, natural, and just more modern. A person who has 1 slay for accidentally dealing 10 damage versus a player who has 3 slays because they blatantly shot the same guy in the face at the end and start of two separate rounds, I feel, should be treated a little differently.

I think it'd make more sense to reduce RDM & Leaves for only a single slay to a 1 day/24 Hour ban. RDM & Leaves with 2+ slays on a second offense can be 3 days. And with a any offense that qualifies for a MASS RDM 4+ ban, but they leave before we can ban them for MASS RDM, be a 5 day ban.

I wasn't here when the 5 day thing was set, so I'm not fully up to speed with why it's that amount of time, but it doesn't feel as 'natural' when someone who kills 1 person by accident is getting banned for the exact same amount of time as someone who is intentionally killing players on the server but doesn't leave before he's banned. I can get wanting to ensure people serve their punishments, but as an RDMer it feels smarter to RDM more people and get a sort of lesser offense. MASS RDM doesn't have a SoL, but it can lead to harsher punishments if done often enough, however if you just do it once or twice you're probably not going to get in anymore trouble. Unlike RDM & Leave which has a SoL system that is based on how long the ban was initially, so during the active SoL time you're able to receive an even harsher punishment if another offense is committed, but I think that this system is fine if we just tweak it a bit to work with a scaling RDM & Leave system.

Not really expecting anything to happen, but interesting topic Adrian.

 

Ye change it make my ban shoter

 

+1

 

I think this thread speaks for itself.