Accepted KOSer who koses det shouldn't be slain for dumb people

If someone KOSes a detective, and player B follows it through

Player b should receive 2 slays and player a 0
since player b shouldn't have followed a KOS on a detective in the first place

 

yes I agree change this unofficial ruling

+1

 

obviously +1

makes no sense that "detective was killed because of your kos"
not true because only two types of people kill detectives: Traitors, or RDMers

 

hey guys im new and fun fact, also color blind, why am i being slayed i killed the grey cop guy who was kosed by that pokeben guy idk whats going on

 

press f1 for guide and google gmod colurblind settings

 

As always, I will keep this extremely brief:

Among the people who think that the KOSer should also be slain, there's three main arguments:

1. The rules say so. They do not explicitly state an exception so there is none.
2. Cause and effect. If the guy hadn't called the KOS, the detective would not have been killed.
3. There is no reason for the KOS being called in the first place. It's stupid to call a KOS on a detective.

All of these arguments can be countered and do not really work, however:

1. From reading the rules and using basic logic, you will notice that a KOS is there to trick people into killing someone else. It's in the spirit of the game. Just because the really obvious fact that Detectives are an exception to the rule is not stated doesn't mean you should assume that this non-standard situation follows that rule. Nobody can get tricked by a KOS on a Detective: It's obvious they're a Detective! Which leads me to Point 2.
2. Cause and effect DOES NOT EQUATE TO GUILT. Yes, if the KOS hadn't been made, the Detective wouldn't have gotten killed. That does not mean that the guilt falls on the person who caused it, however. The person following the KOS did so just because they wanted to RDM, not because of an actual KOS. The KOS is what might have given them the idea, but the actual mindset of thinking it is okay to kill a Detective as an inno was already inside the killer before the KOS happened. If cause and effect was an argument on its own, I could argue that it's the Detectives fault that he was KOS'd because he didn't have to be on the server. Or maybe it's Highwon's grandmother's fault because the only reason that the KOS happened is because she gave birth to the mom of a guy who made a server on which the KOS was made.
3. Yes, but just because it's stupid doesn't mean it should be slain.

Hey, here's another AWESOME idea that the rules totally have standard procedures for! It's a bit different from the situation stated in the OP but let's see how you would handle this:
Let's say that Pacifist randomly decides to call a false KOS on me, Dani. Both Pacifist and I are innocent and he had no reason to false KOS me. I then follow the KOS and commit suicide because of what he said. I can now justify Pacifist getting slain by using the same arguments from above:

1. The rules say that a false KOS gets the KOSer slain if the KOSed person dies from the KOS, which is the case here. The rules don't state anything about suicide being an exception so they totally must have meant for this slay to happen!
2. Cause and effect: If Pacifist hadn't called the false KOS, I wouldn't have gotten the idea to suicide.
3. He shouldn't have made the KOS. It was dumb to do it in the first place!

I honestly want to hear whether Paci would be slayed for this. The arguments against him being slain in this situation should be pretty similar to the ones I gave regarding the scenario in the OP.

 

wait

in the rules..

if someone koses a D.. And someone kills the detective for it..

The KOSer gets slain? Is that seriously how it is right now? Who in their right fucking mind chose that? Do they think people are genuinely running off of two braincells?? Or did I misread this?

+1. Kinda obvious to not kill a detective even if they are KOSed.

"KOS Saturnity!" Checks tab, sees their name is a different shade than everyone else, indicating they are a Detective (in response to the colorblind thing)
"ok. I kill"

sees someone in cop skin that literally says detective when you aim at them
"I kill "

 

"DETECTIVE"

 

cease this clownery

getting kosed is pretty traitorous, and traitorous things dont apply to detectives

imprettysurethisruleisalreadyathingitsjustthatpacifistdidntknowthisrulexdxdxdxd

 

isnt that how the whole false kos rule works tho, like you only get slain for the kos if the person is damaged/dies as a result of the kos?

i mean ye bro, get fucked paci dont false kos like that /shrug

alright dickhead you wanna play this game huh
People try new games all the fucking time and guess what you mongoloid, there are plenty of people who are colorblind it's not a "stupidly rare thing" just like how shootings in the U.S aren't a stupidly rare thing either!

Also, guess what a lot of people in the U.S. are trying to do? Change the way people are able to get guns and even outright ban them! Wow!!! Who would've fucking thought right with all of these shootings that we have?! Probably not you because you're too much of an absolute inbred buffoon to understand the false kos rules and accept responsibilities for your actions, so why would you be able to empathize with people affected by mass shootings, be able to rationalize your own thoughts and ideas, or to even use your very limited brain power just a tad bit more to see what other people might be thinking.

You're just mad because you got punished for something that you don't think you should be punished for, even though it is very clearly stated that you can be punished for false koses. You guys aren't wrong, this situation is stupid, but it was only caused by 1 idiot that set off another fucking idiot (also fuck off dani i know cause and affect blah blah, but it's the fundamental base that this whole rule/punishment plays off of,) if you guys want to change the rules make a fucking suggestion to the original rules instead of crying like little bitch boys about it.

ps fuck you pokeben you were a shit mod and youre a fucking idiot im not replying anymore unless you guys want drama in sb

 

At that point we should make KOSing a Detective not a T act.

Placing a KOS on a Detective won't result in a slay for the KOSer because the Detective is obviously not a traitor. If someone follows thru with the KOS, it's treated as if there was no KOS called because it doesn't matter. Shooting a detective as an inno is RDM unless in self defense. That doesn't change if there was a KOS or not.

In other words:
+1

 

Hey @Pacifist you should check this thread out and post your results, I get a feeling you may set the new record :33

https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/you-people-are-autistic.53575/page-2#post-563103

 

Yeah sure buddy.

Anyways, yeah, I am actually thinking about making it toxic gameplay to kos a detective as an innocent. There is literally no reason you should be doing it, and the only thing that it can lead to is confusion, especially if the player is new. I'll be honest, you'd have to be pretty dumb and new to follow such a kos, and i'd argue that a slay is definitely required for the person who follows the kos. Two slays? I am not so sure it is necessary.

Also guys, please stop with the harassment. Keep this civil or I will close it. That being said, i'm watching this thread very closely. Let me know what you guys think.

 

so like


what I said when you told me to slay

 

Oof at least let me know when the damned thing expires

EDit: no clue how to make it into one of them fancy spoiler things on mobile sorry all

 

No. We would not being slaying anyone. Chances are we would just warn the player at first and carry on to a ban if they continued to do it.

 

I stated the killer should be slain once or twice, and that at most the koser should be warned for toxicity if it's a constant

Which your disagreement led to the report against you and the creation of this thread