SGM State of the Community: Survey Results

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Han, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. Santa Claus

    Santa Claus Best Member VIP Bronze

    +1 I can see this being added
     
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  2. Han

    Han       VIP

    Sorry, forgot what was perhaps the most important question of the survey.

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  3. Siddo

    Siddo Banned VIP Bronze

    A Christmas miracle.
     
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  4. Lion

    Lion Ryan's Favorite Admin Banned VIP

    Let's start with you.
     
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  5. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    Hello. I want to address a couple of things here. Firstly, I want to talk about the disconnect between the staff team and the community, namely (in my experience) the administration. I will admit that there is a disconnect, and often times it happens without my knowledge. However, this isn't something that I am conscious of, and I have to actually try to sit in shoutbox. Why? Well, whenever I get into shoutbox i'm met with a bunch of people who don't like me. It is sort of hard to connect with people who think you are an asshole, but to be fair I am an asshole on the forums. Recently i've been much quicker to warn and ban, I will admit that, but the only reason I have stepped up into this position is because I was tired of seeing the constant lack of punishment being dealt out for obvious rule breaks, and from people who just want to break the rules (not pointed at anyone by the way). In game I try my hardest to interact with the server, and anyone who has played with me as of late will know this (not like many of the people on the forums really play the game with me so idk what I want to accomplish) but I do try. This is something I have to work on, as well as the rest of the administration. It can be hard for us to socialize with the community on account of the fact that anything we say will be used against us. How can I really be myself in shoutbox if I am constantly being threatened with a forum report if I don't watch what I say? I've gotten to a point where I hardly give a shit where that line of do not cross is, but other admins simply do not want that kind of trouble and just stay away from it entirely.

    On another note I want to touch on the bias moderator promotions recently. In many cases this argument is sort of flawed in that you guys can't see applications. How do you know we skipped over someone of quality to promote one of our buddies? How do you know that our buddies weren't the only applicant that was good in that case? Applications are basically the good the bad and the ugly. Good applicants are seized up pretty quickly, bad applicants are shutdown pretty quickly and the ugly are just left to rot until we can say that we don't require their services. There are a lot of complicated reasonings and rationals that go into the job of an admin, and until you are in such a position you can't hope to understand the extreme amount of power you have. You are giving someone you TRUST the ability to ban people on the servers, and to uphold the rules. So who do you trust more than other people? Your friends. Now, that doesn't mean I go out of my way to pickup my friends, but I do feel more comfortable about picking up people that I at least know about. Patronus Penguin and me use to be moderators together back in 2017 and I trusted him because I knew he was capable of his job, and I knew he would be a good mod for my team specifically. Juice Wrld and me were hardly friends before I picked him up, in fact I didn't know anything about him to be honest. I specifically picked him because I liked the way he interacted with the community on the servers, and he told me he wasn't going to change that. Was he a rough pick? Yes. Do I regret it? Not at all, he has turned out to be a fantastic moderator. Toest was actually my first moderator, and I have passed him up in the past for other options. I picked him up this time because he seemed to have really changed and matured since last time he was a moderator. I liked that. So yes, there may seem to be a bias from the outside looking in, but if you were in the system you'd realize that the bias is actually widely frowned upon. Not like anyone would know that, because we don't disclose this information publically.

    As far as Hitlerspiral and the rest of the shit lead administration goes, I can understand where that is coming from. Firstly, let me make it clear that me and helixspiral do not see eye to eye on a lot of things. In fact, I argue with helixspiral constantly, but let me tell you that he does care about this community, and the amount of work he does put in is pretty insane. Most of it is behind the scenes, but I will say that I do wish he was a little bit more aggressive, he is what he is and I respect him in the position he is in. To a lot of people Grimoire+ is a dick. I can understand that. When I first met and talked to grimoire I didn't like him. In fact I reported him to my admin and asked that he be talked to. Now, it wasn't until later on that I spoke to grimoire again about something I cared about: the community. I found out firsthand who grimoire is and what he stands for. He is rough, but he will absolutely always speak his mind no matter what. He doesn't care about hurting people's feelings, and he isn't afraid to demote or ban someone he is friends with. To him, everyone is equal and punishment will always be dealt out if it is needed. A lot of people complain that helix and the bunch are too nice, but then they bash on grimoire for being the solution. He isn't meant to be the nice lead admin, but I guarantee you that if you brought an issue to him he wouldn't rest till it was resolved. As far as lead admin hours go, you guys seriously can't expect them to staff like moderators. They have other things going on, and once you reach the lead admin position you are usually pretty burnt out. It takes a long time to get up there, ask grim about it. Even Graze touches upon this in his farewell, where he claims that once he got up to lead admin he felt like he was nearing the end anyways. It is not a position for everyone, and even I would decline it if it were offered to me (tho I may take it just to watch xpro's dumb expression when he realizes haha) so I can understand why people aren't happy in this regard. The problem is that I can't fix it. I am only one admin and I only have so much pull.

    I do not go out of my way to be a nazi admin, in fact you'd be surprised to know that I have fought viciously in the past to abolish unreported damage. I feel like it is unfair to many different players to have to sit a round out because they thought it would be funny to taze someone. Unfortunately these are the rules that I must follow, even if I disagree with them. Not all staff members are content with the rules, and not all staff members like to ban people. In fact, the staff team is pretty active when it comes to asking to forgive minor cases of rdm. Not to mention that the majority of the staff team will go up in arms when it comes to debating unfair rules and whether or not we should change them. Helix and Opal have established a very opencut democracy system in which proposals are brought in front of the staff to be debated, and then a vote is cast to see if we implement or not. In fact, many of these changes are approved by moderators, who are staffing everyday and have a great connection with the community. However I will say that I do not agree with a lot of these proposals, however the staff team voted.

    Also, finally I must respond to something that makes me frickin angry
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  6. Santa Claus

    Santa Claus Best Member VIP Bronze

    HOW MANY TIMES I GOTTA TELL YOU WHITE PEOPLE!
    TL;DR!!!!
     
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  7. Dexter

    Dexter SGM's Resident Former Rage Mod VIP Emerald

    If anything, this is the only thing I disagree with :shifty:. So much for an unbiased opinion.
     
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  8. ekksdee

    ekksdee wrath VIP Bronze

    The "rumor" involving @Grimoire+ and Ferocious Cat wouldn't even be relevant today if both parties came out and were honest about what happened. I personally could give less fucks about two staff members dating but it crosses the line when there were biased administrative decisions made due to said relationship that is being covered up as a "rumor".
     
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  9. neutral

    neutral Banned VIP

    lol This again?

    Bro.. we’re a gaming community. Why the fuck should we care if two adults are dating?

    You weren’t involved in the discussion between Grim, Cat, or anyone involved in all...

    Grim has been doing a great, excellent unbiased job as both an admin, and a lead. If you need any clarification, I was actually the one that suggested Cat would have been a great pickup for Grim based on his leadership style, and what she needed from an admin. They’re adults and we’re not some Fortune 500 company. Grow up lol.

    We’ll make sure to post an announcement next time on who’s dating who. :rolleyes:



    As far as the survey- there’s some great suggestions here and we’re already in talks to try some of these out. I particularly like the one about doing some type of community Q&A/meeting type of deal although some thought would need to go in to how it would be organized.

    Thanks for the work Han!

    HitlerHelixSpiral
     
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  10. Siddo

    Siddo Banned VIP Bronze

    1) it's hard being real as admin+ when everyone holds you to a high standard

    2) admins give both new and old people a fair trial (literally). but there may be some effective bias, since its easier to know someone will or will not do well if you already know them.

    3) leads are hitler, but they will give us lebensraum and protect us from the dirty troll immigrants.
    actually, "leads are decent people" is the tl;dr. i just think propaganda is funny because it's surreal.

    4) mods are using democracy to impose communism.
    or staff aren't literally hitler. one of the two. idk. can't read.
     
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  11. ZaneLoehr (Masochist Ver.)

    ZaneLoehr (Masochist Ver.) Warehouse 13 Next Generation VIP

    Well I mean you gave the responses, how could you not now know which ones are yours?

    Only recently started playing often again, but the current staff team has been pretty good. I agree with one of the responses that it appears there is not a great deal of staff unity (emphasis on appears) but individually they are all great. Though I still prefer the 2015 staff team #DreamTeam (clear bias obviously) dispite never getting an Admin trial from Darktooth or Disruptionz >.> <3
     
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  12. -tyler

    -tyler My trial was filed as a crazy suicidal head case. VIP Bronze

    I really like the suggestion of the community meeting. wonder who that was
    It was done in my old community, and it helped it a lot. I don't see any downside to doing one, so I say go ahead and organize a weekly meeting.
    One for everyone to attend.
     
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  13. Siddo

    Siddo Banned VIP Bronze

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  14. Xproplayer

    Xproplayer VIP Silver

    I'm dating Helix don't listen to him
     
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  15. Xproplayer

    Xproplayer VIP Silver

    Also the posts mentioning me [​IMG]
     
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  16. Siddo

    Siddo Banned VIP Bronze

    you're cheating on me with my own wife?
    yes that's a dunkey reference
     
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  17. Bubonic

    Bubonic Burning heretics since M31 VIP

    I think a community meeting is an interesting idea but weekly is a pipe dream. Very little actually changes in that amount of time, heck little even changes in a month. At best I could see quarterly, and that is still being optimistic considering the amount of time that it takes to coordinate and manage.
     
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  18. Cash

    Cash I staff the proper way Banned VIP

    TIL helix is dating ekksdee and ekksdee is mad because helix hasn't gone public with that yet

    Rate dumb if u agree
     
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  19. Graze

    Graze Zzz... VIP Silver

    I'm super late, but this was a pretty fun read. Very interesting to hear everyone's thoughts. Thanks for the work, Han.
     
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  20. CrownedWings

    CrownedWings Quirkless but still kickin VIP

    https://i.imgur.com/7yp69HO.jpg
     
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