Accepted Let Innos shoot people the Det is damaging

Discussion in 'Rules and Protocol' started by Juice Juice™, Jun 2, 2017.

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  1. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Currently, if a detective shoots and damages a person and continuously shoots them without calling a KOS, it is RDM for any watching Innos to also shoot that person. The only reason I can think for this to be RDM is because it prevents T-baiting RDM related deaths. Which, if the detective doesn't damage the target, is still a thing.
    However, and this is just one scenario: What if you called a Det to a body, you watched them get DNA, you then followed them following the DNA. They start to shoot at a guy standing at the end of a hallway alone. Why would it be unreasonable for you to not shoot as well?
     
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  2. Adminツ

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    if a detective shoots me for no reason, ill fuking 1 tap them with no question.
     
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  3. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    If the guy shoots back at the detective then you can kill him. If he isn't shooting back at the detective then a competent detective will finish him off easily. If he doesn't, just wait for a kos. Getting shot at is not traitorous, even if a detective is involved.
     
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  4. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    And if the Det is at to bad of an angle or something? Or is reloading? Or the target turns a corner? Or of the detective gets headshotted by a sniper? I can think of a dozen reasons why shooting at them as well is helpful. And why exactly would getting shot by the detective not be the same as being called out by the detective, from a broad standpoint?
     
  5. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

     
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  6. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    I mean, even Xpro misses. And Xpro also hits a detective from far away. Just because you are 'compitent' doesn't mean that there aren't other factors that would prevent you from killing someone. Even if that someone is just running away.

    Edit: In my defense, I was copying Paci's spelling of competent
     
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  7. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

     
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  8. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Are you even reading my posts Paci? it's actually getting sort of annoying that you're not. For one thing, that means a T gets away. For another, the Det might be dead. Making a KOS impossible
     
  9. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    And still leaves the question: Why is the Det shooting someone (And damaging them) different than the Det calling out a KOS?
     
  10. Pacifist

    Pacifist Cynically Insane VIP Bronze

    It's just easier to copy and paste. Also please don't rate me dumb because you disagree. There is a rating for that.
     
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  11. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Except that I believe it is dumb that you are ignoring what I am saying, and you aren't even responding to it. You are just cycling through the same things without addressing what I am saying. Yes, getting shot at is not traitorous even if the detective is involved. The suggestion is to make it traitorous. So yes, it is stupid for you to use the current rule against the proposed rule change.
     
  12. Dolph1n

    Dolph1n Time is an adventure- if you know when to look. Banned Elite

    Think about it this way:

    If @Pacifist KOSes me, I can theoretically be shot, damaged, and killed by every player on the server all at once.

    If Paci shoots me, I can theoretically be damaged by a maximum of one player(excluding RDMers).

    If the det doesn't manage to call a KOS, then too bad. The guy gets away. This is a game of skill and deception, and if the guy doesn't remember to KOS the guy he's shooting at, then he obviously doesn't have the skills required to play this game well.
     
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  13. Valedict

    Valedict VIP

    i think if you see the detective shooting someone you should also be able to see who theyre shooting at

    and if the person the d is shooting at shoots back then you can call kos

    heres a scenario:
    ah shit the person the detective is shooting at is behind a corner what do i do?
    walk around it

    just wait man its not like ttt is a high paced action packed shooter
    unless you rdm or something i guess
     
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  14. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Which is the sound logic behind it in general. However, Detectives cannot perform a traitorous act. Therefor, logic dictates the person they are shooting did something traitorous. Now, yes, they could be RDMing. However, the fact they are RDMing does not change if nobody else shoots or if they called a KOS. And we are still allowed to follow KOS's even if we did not see that person perform a Traitorous act.


    Sure. Fine. Why does someone's skill level determine the rules? Yes, they could be bad. The could also just be shot in the back of the head. Why does that matter?
     
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  15. Dolph1n

    Dolph1n Time is an adventure- if you know when to look. Banned Elite

    How do you even know that they're shooting at someone with the intent to kill? What if I shoot at someone as a joke and end up accidentally damaging them? That is instant death for them, because not only are they damaged, but they're also being shot at by every innocent around them simply because I fucked up.

    My point is that if a detective wants innocents to back him up in a firefight, he has to call a KOS. And if he forgets to, then he doesn't have the skills required to play TTT well.
     
  16. Squidd

    Squidd VIP

    No.
     
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  17. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    For one thing, there is a large difference between T-baiting and shooting someone in the back several times with a shotgun. For another, even if it's by accident, you still just RDM'd. If you're doing the same thing with anything else that is traitorous, say, calling KOS's up into the air because you like to spam binds, and someone happens to jump above you and you KOS that person, you just RDM'd if that KOS gets followed, and that person is condemned to death. Ultimately, players choose whether or not to follow that KOS, but consequences still fall on that person.


    My point is that if a detective wants innocents to back him up in a firefight, he has to call a KOS. And if he forgets to, then he doesn't have the skills required to play TTT well.[/QUOTE]
    What if he is following DNA, finds the DNA target, shoots that person with a shotgun once, then gets sniped from behind. And his last words are "Kos" because not every single person uses binds, and they had to type it out
     
  18. Dolph1n

    Dolph1n Time is an adventure- if you know when to look. Banned Elite

    literally all he has to do is press T and then 5
     
  19. Mr. 7-Minute Wonder

    Mr. 7-Minute Wonder Regular Member

    Artemis, Did you try reading what Pacifist said?

    Being shot at is not traitorous. So, you follow the detective who has DNA, they start shooting a guy, he runs around a corner and gets away, the detective then has time to call them out. If the detective is shot at and killed by the person, then you can kill them, as they shot at a detective.
     
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  20. It's common sense to shoot at someone being shot at from someone proven innocent (read detective)
    The rules aren't that hard wtf
     
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