We NEED a balance reset

Discussion in 'Archived Minecraft Discussion' started by Juice Juice™, Mar 27, 2017.

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Balance Reset?

  1. Yes. Do it quickly! (But with warning so we can spend it all!)

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  2. No. Never.

    29.7%
  3. What the hell is Minecraft?

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  4. My response is a comment!

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  5. Indifference is Me!

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  1. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    I do understand. It sucks that they would lose out on what the spent money on. I would lose out on the time I spent, because even though I got a significant chunk through exploits or other questionable means, I still made money through legit means.

    But that doesn't change the fact it would be a lot better for the server if it happened. It happens in game development all the time. Sometimes, things happen that just cause such problems, and these problems can persist for such a long time even after the initial cause of the problem is dealt with, that you have to reset or remove certain aspects of the game to make everyones experience better, not just those that played the longest or payed the most.

    And the simple fact is, you don't have ANY fix for this. Except to let time sort it out. Well, that time could be months, and we would be severely impacted during those months. The fix needs to happen sooner or later. It will just cause more and more problems the longer and longer you wait, and it does need to happen for the economy to truly be called 'fixed'.


    Edit: And, AGAIN, there are store logs. Find a way to reimburse them, with something. The fact is, you broke the EULA to begin with with those keys, and now you are desperately working to make sure we feel the detrimental effects of that rule-breaking
     
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  2. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Most people don't even have the items they got from the premium crates anymore. They just have a little bit of money from it. Are you really going to deny what could very well be serious progress for the server just because of a very small minority?
     
  3. neutral

    neutral Banned VIP

    How do you know their inventories? I still have a bunch of the items I got from premium crates.
     
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  4. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Okay. Then a balance reset would effect them even less! Your complaint is that a small percentage of people sold a small percentage of items that they got from a way they shouldn't have been allowed get in the first place, so we shouldn't do something that effects everyone and has lasting negative consequences.
     
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  5. Deathbyrussian

    Deathbyrussian Creator of Worlds - http://imgur.com/a/LfHNY Emerald

    A big reason we aren't doing a balance reset that robo didn't seem to mention is that the server isn't ready for it. We're still making changes and improvements to the economy and are ensuring that exploits, such as the ones you used, are no longer possible. If we reset now, someone could find an exploit and within a few days we'll be back exactly where we started. We want to implement all of the changes/additions to the economy that we have planned before we even begin to seriously consider a balance reset.
     
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  6. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    Alright. I can totally get down behind that, though I would recommend getting the serious considerations out of the way so you can do it the moment you can. Yes, the problems will eventually work themselves out, but that could months as I mentioned before, and inthe meantime, more and more people are coming by their money honestly, so time is essential. A balance reset needs to happen before the economy is 'fixed', unless you don't consider money to be a considerable part of the economy
     
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  7. Squidd

    Squidd VIP

    I still don't understand why people think the economy is the major underlying issue here. The server won't magically re-populate if we took away all the money and fixed the market. Thats not the big issue with survival MC. Taking away all the money still means I have my items, my base, my grind machines, etc.

    I think a lot of manpower is being wasted on this market/economy fix.
     
  8. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    The economy is still a major factor to the game, especially for such a vanilla server. Mainly because it gives people a way to have competition in survival without clustering everyone together. We can score each other based on our value in money, and give ourselves goals to strive for. It's not for everyone, but consciously or unconsciously, it has a bigger impact than you realize.
     
  9. CorallocinB

    CorallocinB Animeme lord VIP Silver Emerald

    It was one issue that needed to be addressed. We're not looking at it to be the key fix to everything, but we needed it to be fixed to make the economic aspect of the (for lack of better terms due to exhaustion) less fucked up. We're working on our next big update by this weekend. The release is hopefully not too long after we start.
     
  10. POP STAR

    POP STAR have a nice day VIP Emerald Bronze

    A reset of any kind should not be the focus to revive the server. The sources of previous income have been altered or removed entirely but that doesn't mean there is no way to make money now. Jobs is a fantastic way of doing so. I believe a reset would be necessary when other features are added or cleaned up. There just isn't enough consistency right now to motivate player to continuing playing.

    A lot of replayability comes from the player's creativity and drive to work on projects, without this drive their experience is bound to suffer. The servers can only do so much with making QOL and consistency apparent. New content would be great, but the foundation of features that don't feel overpowered or clunky would be the best place to work on first.

    The economy is incredibly important, but a balance reset will not change the fact that there are other things to focus on the agenda before resetting.
     
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  11. Juice Juice™

    Juice Juice™ VIP Emerald Bronze

    That is pretty much what I am saying. If there are going to be more drastic changes to the economy, we wait,
    but it is necessary for a reset to happen to complete the change. Which is a statement I keep saying, people keep disagreeing with, but nobody tells me why they disagree.
     
  12. ifavila

    ifavila Active Member

    lets just get rid of the server nobody likes it anyways
     
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  13. ifavila

    ifavila Active Member

    bitches rate it dumb but dont even know how to reply to someone without choking up
     
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  14. Kyül

    Kyül Caged Bird VIP Bronze

    And you call yourself an Adult?

    HA
     
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  15. ifavila

    ifavila Active Member

    You call yourself a functioning human being? Record yourself having a conversation with a stranger, I'll wait.
     
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  16. Kyül

    Kyül Caged Bird VIP Bronze

    What is basic human interaction?
     
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  17. ifavila

    ifavila Active Member

    You make fun of me but you know it's true
     
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  18. Kyül

    Kyül Caged Bird VIP Bronze

    Im not making fun of anyone. My life isnt sad. Can we keep this off this thread, since its not the main point of it at all?
     
  19. ifavila

    ifavila Active Member

    you start an argument and try to de-escalate it after I respond? Nice work
     
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  20. Salem

    Salem VIP

    Guys let's not attack one another and instead stay on the correct topic of this thread.

    this is not a place for negativity.
     
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