Denied Fox's Appeal

Discussion in 'TTT Ban Appeals' started by Fox, Aug 3, 2015.

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  1. Fox

    Fox Banned VIP

    Your In Game Nickname:
    Young Fox
    Your Steam ID:
    STEAM_0:1:85997322
    Which Server:
    Vanilla
    Why you should be unbanned:
    I was warned for calling KOS's on people who were not ingame/do not exist. I can understand how you believe this is trolling, however, no one was killed for these, and I was just having a laugh calling kos' on my friends names, tweaked. Instead of saying, "Jake is a Traitor!" I would say, "Jack is a Traitor!". Keep in mind most of these are pre round. As there is a clear difference between Jack and Jake, he was not killed. After my warning, which I believe was by @Pandora , I stopped. I believe I was banned the next day, after I had stopped. The day of my ban, I did not play for more than an hour, let alone call false KOS'. Simple put, I feel that I was banned for trolling which I had heeded a warning for. I can see that there must have been a confusion, as I had not called any false kos' after the warning.
    Evidence of Innocence:
    None.​
     
  2. Alpha Wolfy

    Alpha Wolfy Nocturnal VIP

    @BlueCore banned you for Trolling. Please be patient as you await a response.

    While you wait for BlueCore, I am gonna tag @Robokiller87 since he was the player who gave me the evidence of your false koses which led me to approach BlueCore for his opinion on this matter since you were warned as of recently for trolling with koses.
     
  3. CorallocinB

    CorallocinB Animeme lord VIP Silver Emerald

    Since I am the one who pushed for this ban, I'll be giving my side of the story and posting others who are involved as well unless someone else attracts their attention to here. I'll do this when I return home, but let me just say this: They weren't all pre-round. You did this on two separate days and the first day you did it resulted in a death of someone whose name you were mimicking in chat. There's no reason to say these KOSes other than to troll and cause confusion. You did not heed @Pandora 's warning from the previous day.

    I'll be giving my full side of the story as well as all evidence when I return home from work in 2 hours.
     
  4. Fox

    Fox Banned VIP

    Pretty sure I did not say they were all pre round. Last time I checked, the day of my ban, you were not on when I was on. MasterTbaiter, Jake, and R3sh can all attest to my innocence.
     
  5. DocFox

    DocFox The Best Is Yet To Come VIP Silver Emerald

    I do believe there was a time when you and I were on together and I had to warn you for the same thing.
     
  6. CorallocinB

    CorallocinB Animeme lord VIP Silver Emerald

    Sorry for anything that seemed unreasonable or attack-worthy, but I'm only here to state facts.

    Ok, so let's get a timeline of your behavior recently.

    Mango's Warning: ??? Before or during Friday - Sunday.

    Friday: You've been warned for trolling with the diamond sword and I took it as a condescending tone towards Turq who is a former moderator and knows the rules much more than you. http://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/foxs-appeal.21802/#post-187536

    Saturday: @Pandora @TotallynotMasterTbaiter @R3sh While we were playing on Mineshaft you were constantly spamming in the chat "KOS MASTERBAITER" which then led to this which can be found here. Clearly, what you said confused R3sh which led him and MasterTbaiter to die and most likely I believe R3sh was slain by Pandora for that seeing as the KOS was not directly towards MasterTbaiter. I unfortunately have no evidence of this claim, however R3sh has already proven this situation as true VIA his word and Pandora can give his input on how valid this was. Later after this incident you and MasterTbaiter then started to do silly KOSes with my name, for example stuff like :Robohiller87 or Robobiller87, etc.

    Sunday: @R3sh @Jake Demo 1 and Demo 2 As well as Pictures of the Incident: 1 2. I unfortunately was unable to record a golden quote from you when we were playing this day and when I was telling you how you were being Blatantly Ignorant towards the rules. You responded after we were quarreling for sometime that "I'll do what I want" in reference to following the rules and the false KOSes. The first demo shows not much, just some spam by @Fox and others before the round. However, the 2nd demo clearly shows Jake responding to the false KOSes being said in chat, and you retorting with "IT SAYS JACK, NOT JAKE. FALSE KOS, KOS JAKE." It eventually ended in Jake's death as well as yours. Later after you left when coincidentally @Alpha Wolfy came on, MasterTbaiter joined and we started to discuss the previous days events. I told him exactly what I said above, "I really do not tolerate blatant ignorance to the rules. He knows what he was doing is wrong and it's only to troll and cause mischief" to only be replied with "It's just friendly banter." That further led me to believe you two could be meta-gaming in some sort of fashion, but I let that slide because I could not catch him for that.

    Today: You weren't on at all today so yea your innocence for today is spot on. You've done nothing wrong on the servers today because you weren't on today. You weren't on today because I got word early this morning from Wolfy that BlueCore agreed to ban you.


    Now, with all of this said your behavior even before all of this transpired over the past 3 days was already less than friendly towards me and others and more friendly towards those who'd play your games. You've already been warned by Mango before this about the false KOSes, you've been warned by CD for your trolling with the diamond sword, and you were warned yet again by Pandora for the false KOSes, and then when a mod wasn't on you continued to do it still and when a mod did get on you got up and left. It may have all been a joke and I may just be a hardass right now, but the fact that you're clearly aware that what you're doing can cause such instances as described and maybe more, it's clear your intention is to have the fun in messing with others and take more enjoyment when people actually follow the koses and state why you're actually innocent. The only reason I see in doing all of this is to troll and cause confusion for your personal enjoyment. You've got at least 200 hours on the servers already, and should have a clear enough understand of the rules and the fact you've disregarded already 2 warnings for false KOSes leads me to believe that you're just here to mess about. That's all I have and I'll let anyone else pitch in if they want and or have @BlueCore finish this off. Just a final word: Even if this is appeal is approved, those who act as if they can stand above all the rules by weaving through them will eventually get caught in a loophole too tiny for them to slide past and will eventually get caught.
     
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  7. Master_Failure

    Master_Failure master of failing.. not much more to say VIP

    I'm going to throw this in, I have nothing against you in the slightest but still at one point about 2 weeks ago you had a bind that kosed mastertbaiter r3sh and broken draems ( purposefully spelled like that) you did something small to their names too as a joke and I knew it as a joke but it could cause problems for innocents who see it as a simple typo and take it as a kos and kill anyone of us for it
     
  8. MemeDaddy

    MemeDaddy VIP

    did you just accuse me of meta gaming?
     
  9. CorallocinB

    CorallocinB Animeme lord VIP Silver Emerald

    I have no solid evidence of it, but the fact you were acting so nonchalantly towards all of this leads me to believe you were playing along with him the entire time. Joke or not, it still ended in an RDM. I mean you continually tried to defend the false kosing after Pandora told him to stop, and a day after it all occurred. It ended in RDM on two specific occasions.

    It was a thought in my head, just circling about, but I cannot attempt to convict you of it. In all honesty, how is this behavior of Fox's defend-able at this point? What he's doing is clearly causing trouble. Caused R3sh to RDM per Picture posted, caused you to be RDMed, caused Jake to be RDMed, and Mango probably was around during his warning near the latter part of the ruckus he created.

    Anyway, I've said what I needed. I'm only here to state the facts, and it is a fact that that thought popped into my head during this. I told you and him several times both days that if someone is blatantly ignorant, I won't go down quietly. That's just who I am. I believe people can change, and I am only doing this in hopes that Fox can learn to play the game correctly as well as to appease my ferocious nature with blatant ignorance.

    EDIT: @Below MasterTbaiter vv

    I never said you defended in here, but you did in-game. As I said earlier, you were saying it was friendly banter and jokes. That's what I was referring to. There's no reason to do this other than to cause trouble. Anyone with eyes and explicitly look into the game play of TTT during a round will follow a KOS correctly, but then you have those who will get confused.

    EDIT: As Pandora stated, people could think it as a typo. The masterTbaiter one was clearly directed to troll, and the Jack one could be viewed as a typo. Some people may misspell names and try to spell something close to that person's name. I've done it many times, trying to clarify in the heat of the moment who it actually is without getting shot.
     
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  10. MemeDaddy

    MemeDaddy VIP

    im not one to get angry about these kinds of things, which is why it didnt really bother me. never said i was defending anything here on this thread. The evidence has all been brought out nothing to really say about that.
     
  11. Pandora?

    Pandora? Alcoholic in Training VIP Silver

    Now Fox, I have nothing against you and you're a friend, but I regret to say that I agree with Robokiller on this one. What Robo had said is true for the first occurance as I was there. Just here to clarify some things. :)
    • My warning
    What Fox did was similar to "I'm a terrorist!" and I couldn't exactly punish him for it, but I did warn him to stop for a reason. When it became clear that people really would follow the koses (I thought the kos was real too) I told Fox to please stop because if he continued it knowing people would follow it, I would ask for admin discretion to do something about it.
    • The Trend
    So before this, there's a certain bind for a player that's like this. To keep people out of the report, I'll use Robokiller's name as an example. So (for the example) it's a trend that a few people have "KOS Robadiller65" binded. It's very rare for this to be acted upon simply because of the many differences in the name. I didn't blink an eye at that simply because of: the differences. Fox's variation had little changes that could be seen as a typo made from quick typing and such. "masterbaiter" and "mastertbaiter" are very similar as are "jake" and "jack" (not there for the jake part).

    I was not the one who banned/reported him but I did give him a warning and was present during the first occurance. I believe that the staff dealing with this should deny the appeal (sorry fox!) mainly because I actively warned him this would happen

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  12. MaulTPiss

    MaulTPiss VIP

    • Please do not comment on reports that you are not involved in.
    Robo killer I don't believe it is right to accuse mastertbaiter... He did nothing wrong he always acts non chalantly in stuff like that as I have played with multiple times before... However everyone that I have played with has done some variation of what fox did... I think it is unfair to attack him for enjoy an aspect of a game with friends he's used to playing with... As for you you tend to loop hole as well so I wouldn't go accusing others of that ... Please look at your actions before calling out others.. It is very unreasonable
     
  13. Alpha Wolfy

    Alpha Wolfy Nocturnal VIP

    Since all sides responded with their input, I will be locking this thread until BlueCore gives the verdict to prevent unnessary commentary.

    For the people who believe Robo is accusing people, please refer to the edit on his last comment.

    Thank you.
     
  14. BlueCore

    BlueCore Onward and Upward Banned VIP

    Apologies for the delay in my response. I am swamped with work at the moment which I need to attend to; and I cannot view the evidence whilst away from office. I will be looking over both sides of the story and all the evidence that has been provided shortly. My verdict will be posted in approximately 4 hours.
     
  15. BlueCore

    BlueCore Onward and Upward Banned VIP

    Hello Fox,

    I apologise for not being about to reply to this at length any sooner. I wanted to make sure I had analysed the case properly before making a verdict; and to have done that I needed to be at my desk computer to look at the Demos.

    The reason I had Banned you for Trolling is because of the KOSes you were saying in-game. Your KOSes had no reason and by both your statement and the statements of many other members, it appears you were doing it just for fun and to have a laugh. Whilst these KOSes were to names that didn't exist as a player's, these names were all closely connected to someone else on the server. As already mentioned, the KOSes you made were to players very similarly named to the players mentioned in this Appeal; in most cases you only changed single characters in their name.

    Since there was no valid reason to calling these KOSes, it seems as if they were solely written to create confusion between the players. As a regular player on Vanilla, and a player that's accustomed to the rules, this is something that is frowned upon. Just because there is nothing in the Rules saying you can't KOS non-existing players, if you purposely KOS to confuse people into thinking you're KOSing players, then you should be reproached.

    Whilst there hasn't been many cases of RDM occurred as a result to these KOSes, it is only a matter of time before it does happen; and I would much prefer to avoid that. In Pandora's image you clearly understand that what you were going was wrong but did it anyway. Yes, perhaps you did stop after you were warned multiple times, but a player like yourself shouldn't need to be warned multiple times; by multiple staff, to stop abusing your adept knowledge of the rules. This is one of the main reasons why I had you banned, not because you did this once or twice, but you continually did what you were told not to do. Both multiple staff and players approached me about this; that right there says this was a recurring issue and not a one-time only scenario.

    What I'm even less happy about in Pandora's image is exactly what you say. It appears as if Pandora told you to stop as it could cause others to RDM from all the confusion, which you responded with "They", "As in not me". This suggests to me that you knew you wouldn't get slain for this, nor care if someone were to RDM and get slain themselves. What am I meant to think about this? If you're going to purposely put players into a situation where they RDM thinking that you KOSed the person, and get slain themselves, then I struggle to see why I should Unban you.

    It is fun to have a laugh and have some fun, on the servers in general and with your friends. But if your fun is coming at the expense of other players' enjoyment, it's not something I can condone. As an experienced player such as yourself, I was really disappointed to read that and look at those demos.

    With all this, I think I am going to have to Deny this Appeal, and ask that you serve the rest of your Ban.

    This Appeal will remain Locked. However, if you would still like to talk in private about your Ban; to perhaps give more reason as to why you KOSed non-existent players, or why you said those words to Pandora, then feel free to start a Conversation. I am more than willingly to hear you out more and see if we can get this sorted sooner rather than you waiting the whole Ban.
     
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